Posted on 03/27/2005 6:31:49 PM PST by Golden Gate
Edited on 03/27/2005 6:49:29 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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O Lord,
you told us to ask,
so I am asking for help for our poor Terri,
you told us to seek and we find you,
to comfort, guide and heal us,
We are knocking,
and we know the door will be opened.
O Father, Abba,
we know you are the source, he who gives life,
and he who takes it back.
Soften the hearts of those who think that this is man's right only,
and may our sister and all in her position find rest and peace with you,
fill them with the living waters which only come from Heaven.
In the name of Jesus Christ,
Amen.
by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
If you're a FReeper who really didn't care about Terri and now say it's all over for Terri and time to quit, - please go start your own FR thread to that effect and post there. Please, and Thank You.
We're hearing about the use of morphine. One speculation that was posted, said that it is a matter of hours, and that Terri would be dead tonight. And the attorney saying 'point of no return'. I hear about a subpoena that is/was to be issued on Monday. What's wrong with serving a subpoena on the weekend? - Offices closed?
Before reading this headline, this thread was going to be a 'Roll Call' -'reserved'- for those FReepers who believe that Gov. Jeb Bush and/or Pres. Bush should violate the court order to rescue Terri and give her the intensive care that she needs and deserves.
I would like to share a prayer that was posted recently:
Heavenly Father - We humbly implore You to protect our little Sister, Theresa Marie Schiavo, from internal damage to her organs. We pray for a life-saving miracle on her behalf. Like the ones who cut a hole in the roof and dropped their crippled friend down to Your Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, we are bringing Terri before You and asking for Your Healing Touch. In the Name of Jesus Christ, our Savior and King. Amen.
- by Saundra Duffy ("Where there's life, there's hope." Theresa Marie Schiavo)
So we have the prayer to protect Terri's organs from internal damage, and looking to God for a miracle. Many were thinking that she might die on Good Friday, but she didn't. And that quote from Terri, "Where there's life, there's hope." It was noted back in Oct. '03, when Terri was starved for six and half days, that Terri Schindler has an incredible will to live. And there is that organization, "Not Dead Yet!"
There was the FR tradition from Oct. '03 - "Pray first, and don't give up, - never give up!"
So, to the friends of Terri, I wonder what you think. Is it realistic to think that it is a matter of hours and that Terri will be finally be murdered sometime tonight?
If U.S. Pres. George W. Bush, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and the leaders in the U.S. Congress have not heeded the pleas for mercy, justice, and help this far, - should we continue the effort any longer? Or, should we continue the calls and emails until Terri is finally dead and cremated?
Would intensive care be of any value for Terri at this point?
Or, is it not to bother and just ~~let her go~~?
Last night I was thinking:
Terri is one of us, a living human, a living American. There are people who are afraid to look at Terri in her situation. Terri's disablility, - or injury -, causes some people to be fearful and want to look away, and not get involved and not help. The people who believe that it is 'better dead than disabled', or, 'I'm glad I don't have to decide that one...' But we must remember, that asTerri lives, or as Terri may die, she is one of us, a human being.
As Terri's body is poisoned today and fills with morphine, it will be all the more reason for people to want to continue to look away and ignore the injustice and shame of her murder, of her death. However, in life or in death, she is one of us.
43 posted on 03/27/2005 3:16:47 PM PST by jpsb
IF (big IF) he calls effectively for tightening up the rules so no more Terris, what are we going to do, vote for a Rat in his place so they can undo all that?
I think the jury is still out, but they're mumbling loudly about their final vote.
Thanks, I learn something new here everyday.
I am going to be glued to the news tomorrow - hoping for that - and hoping they can get to Terri in time - I don't understand why the so-called reporters aren't making more noise about her supposedly getting morphine after all the talk about how painless the process was. We know they use morphine to hasten the process of death...
The Declaration of Independence is the presupposition of rights and conditions that accrue to all persons. Upon it is built the Constitution.
Others may say that this is a Constitutional crisis, among other things. I agree. Life and liberty are now gone, and we will never be able to complain to any country anywhere about human rights violations with any credibility ever again because of this.
Who
Who speaks for Terri ?
Michael loves another.
Who cares for Terri ?
They won't let her mother.
Who's feeding Terri ?
Greer says, no food at all.
Who will save Terri ?
We watch our nation fall.
CG 3/23/2005
- by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
My tagline is from an affidavit, and she is not the only one that swore an oath saying so. - by bjs1779 (I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
If you want to keep Terri alive-o -
You've got to get her away from that judge & Michael Schiavo.
the situation is not static. it falls to us to ReDeclare those principals. Our founders would. Are we to slink away from the responsibility that history has put on us?
Thought you might find this interesting regarding our discussion on Jeb Bush's future:
The Terri Schiavo case is rousing the moderates
By Dick Morris writing in THE HILL 3/31/05
The scene is familiar to anyone with a nodding acquaintance with American politics — prayer vigils, demonstrations, talk-radio hosts obsessing, the Christian right closing in. But in the terrible tragedy of Terri Schiavo, the center is joining the debate with a ferocity usually reserved for the right.
As in most social debates, the moderates have the majority, but, unlike discussions over abortion or gay marriage, in this debate they also match the intensity of their conservative critics.
Most of us will never have an abortion. We are either too male, too old, too inactive or too moral. The life/choice debate is, for us, a bit of a spectator sport. So is the focus on gay marriage. We may care about the issue, but, as Clinton would often put it, we don’t have a dog in that hunt.
But we will all die — and don’t we know it! We can all see ourselves at the wrong end of a feeding tube, sucking out sustenance to sustain a life we might more willingly forfeit. We can not only put ourselves in the place of those most intimately concerned with Schiavo’s fate — her husband and parents — but we can put ourselves right there in the bed, in a coma — which the doctors call a “persistent vegetative state” — with no hope and no life worth living.
A recent poll by the New York Post showed that, while two-thirds of Americans favor the removal of Terri’s feeding tube, more than 80 percent would want their own tube to be removed were they similarly situated. Schiavo is not just a political issue to those who advocate terminating her life support. She is our worst personal nightmare.
To those who oppose the right-to-life position, the political intervention by state and federal legislators and executives, is, truly, the most intrusive example of the very big governmental excesses that the political right decries.
One can well understand the passion of the pro-lifers on the issue of abortion. They have a fetus to protect. For them, the commitment to preserving life carries into the womb. We may not agree, but we can certainly respect and empathize with their view.
But with Schiavo, there is no fetus. There is just Terri. And when we put ourselves in her place, more than 80 percent of us think we would want to die. To be told that we must linger in a non-life because of the dictates of a governor wedded to the religious right and a Congress in the grip of ideologically driven leaders seems to the vast majority of us a level of government interference we find too intrusive to tolerate.
Next to a decision that we must live as vegetables, OSHA regulations, IRS bullying and EPA stubbornness pale by comparison. How ironic that, at the precise moment when most of us are prepared to embrace the agenda of the libertarian conservatives, we find the Republican Party, their supposed champions, running screaming in the other direction.
Politically, the Schiavo case will hurt the Republican Party, but the damage will soon fade. The president has stepped lightly on the issue, and his popularity and effectiveness will not be affected. But Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) better look for a new line of work. The right is mad at him for not standing in the hospice door. The center is furious at his butting in where most Americans, and Floridians, feel he has no right to be. Only the left is overjoyed to see a possible presidential contender caught in the crossfire.
Jeb is showing that he lacks George’s ability to dance and duck. We elected Bush Sr. knowing he was once pro-choice, proof that he was no fanatic. We chose Bush Jr. because he let us know, early in the campaign, that he would not spend his presidency relitigating — literally or figuratively — Roe v. Wade, however abortion offended his sense of right and wrong. He made clear he had other, higher priorities.
But by taking a doctrinaire position and then backing off it, Jeb Bush has shown us that he would charge where others would tread with caution. Too bad. We might have needed him to stop Hillary.
Morris is the author of Rewriting History, a rebuttal of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) memoir, Living History.
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