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If his mother couldn't get air herself, doesn't she have the right to have it provided, if we go with the logic that Mrs. Schiavo must be force-fed through a tube if she doesn't get food herself?
1 posted on 03/27/2005 1:30:00 PM PST by Gondring
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Sheesh, the guardian.... Sad.


2 posted on 03/27/2005 1:33:53 PM PST by monkeywrench
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If his mother couldn't get air herself

Did you see the part about her kidneys failing??? Life support is entirely different than nutrition.

It was also his 79 year old MOTHER...not his daughter.

3 posted on 03/27/2005 1:34:15 PM PST by WBurgVACon
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But, given the vehemence with which he has been fighting to prolong Terri's life, it is a little surprising to learn that Robert decided to turn off the life-support system for his mother. She was 79 at the time, and had been ill with pneumonia for a week, when her kidneys gave out. "I can remember like yesterday the doctors said she had a good life. I asked, 'If you put her on a ventilator does she have a chance of surviving, of coming out of this thing?'" Robert says. "I was very angry with God because I didn't want to make those decisions."

How typically hypocritical.

So9

4 posted on 03/27/2005 1:34:30 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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Okay, one more time: failed kidneys and a respirator call for EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES. A 50 cent feeding tube is not extraordinary. My infant daughter doesn't feed herself either. Terri doesn't need help grabbing the air. A tube is not a machine. Food and water are not "Medical treatment," much less extraordinary.

You are on the side of the UK Guardian, LA Times and Arlen Specter. Those for Terri are on the side of Western Civilization on this issue.
5 posted on 03/27/2005 1:34:54 PM PST by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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Newborn babies often don't breathe on their own.


6 posted on 03/27/2005 1:35:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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This place has officially gone insane.

*sigh*


9 posted on 03/27/2005 1:38:53 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (The same thing we do every day, Pinky. We're going to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Countdown to #8)
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Well maybe you haven't seen people die once their kidneys fail. I have. The poison that is flushed through the kidneys is left in the body. Ugly. And death is imminent
10 posted on 03/27/2005 1:39:42 PM PST by marty60
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No rational poster here would attempt to compare Robert Schindler's decisions concerning the future quality and quantity of life available to his 41 year mentally incapacitated daughter with that of his 79 year old mother in terminal renal failure.

This old slam piece you posted is full of derogatory aspersions regarding the "Christian Right". Which now has been joined by Ralph Nader and Alan Dershowitz, among others, in condemning the perpetrators of suspectly involuntary euthanasia on a non-terminally ill young woman whose only sin is to be dependent on others for her care. Care which the Schindlers were able and willing to provide for the rest of her GOD GIVEN days.


12 posted on 03/27/2005 1:39:57 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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Renal failure, pneumonia and nearly 80 doesn't equate to Terri's situation. And the article doesn't mention whether or not his mother had left any instructions.


16 posted on 03/27/2005 1:43:04 PM PST by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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My wife has been an RN specializing in geriatric care for almost two decades, and she lost her father to renal cancer. Even a bystander like myself has soaked up enough knowledge during those years to be able to say that any comparison between the two cases in this piece is wilfully misleading at best, and maliciously false at worst.


22 posted on 03/27/2005 1:52:27 PM PST by niteowl77
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Respiration is autonomic.
Eating is not.
To me that's a fundamentally important difference.


26 posted on 03/27/2005 1:53:57 PM PST by mcg1969
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So much wrong in this article. Where to start. Apples and oranges. Not that the author would ever see this or admit he's wrong.


28 posted on 03/27/2005 1:54:37 PM PST by mtbopfuyn
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An overstatement. No two cases are the same.


37 posted on 03/27/2005 2:00:41 PM PST by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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.........have collaborated with the Christian right in America ........

Does the Liberal media ever dare to print the phrase "the Jewish Left"?

What is the equivalent of the word "antisemitism" when the bigotry is directed at Christians?

41 posted on 03/27/2005 2:03:10 PM PST by Polybius
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Suzanne Goldenberg is a left-wing witch. She was removed from her post covering the Middle East for the Guardian because of her venomous Israel-hating and her sympathy for the Palestinian jihadis.


42 posted on 03/27/2005 2:03:48 PM PST by veronica
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Rhetorical question for all:

The courts/judges are the ones who've sanctioned killing this woman, pulling her feeding tube....Who are these judges acountable to?!!!

We need to find out and address this issue with them too!!


44 posted on 03/27/2005 2:04:03 PM PST by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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If his mother couldn't get air herself, doesn't she have the right to have it provided, if we go with the logic that Mrs. Schiavo must be force-fed through a tube if she doesn't get food herself?

The MSM has been misinforming the public for months about this case, so I can excuse the ignorance of a leftist Brit. Out of charity, I will presume that you are not an idiot, and really don't understand the difference. Pay attention, class is in.


Robert decided to turn off the life-support system for his mother. She was 79 at the time, and had been ill with pneumonia for a week, when her kidneys gave out. "I can remember like yesterday the doctors said she had a good life. I asked, 'If you put her on a ventilator does she have a chance of surviving, of coming out of this thing?'" Robert says. "I was very angry with God because I didn't want to make those decisions."

Terri Schiavo (or, as you call her, "Mrs. Schiavo") is NOT on life-support. Terri's kidneys are working just fine. Terri breathes perfectly normally, without the aid of a ventilator. Nurses have said that Terri can be and has been fed orally, contrary to the wishes of her HINO (husband in name only), who wants her to DIE. If Terri can be fed orally and her HINO would allow her to be, there is no reason why she could not continue living until she passed away naturally. She would not be in need of the feeding tube which Michael is denying her because it is the only way he can (legally) facilitate her DEATH.

There is no parallel in the cases of Terri and her grandmother, whose kidneys failed (you need at least one), who could not breathe on her own, and who apparently could NOT -- in answer to Robert Schindler's inquiry to her doctor -- "come out of this thing."

Do you get it NOW??? Are you going to continue to claim ignorance, or are you actually that clueless?

45 posted on 03/27/2005 2:06:08 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (To some people, Terri Schiavo is a deformed fetus in the 120th trimester)
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I asked, 'If you put her on a ventilator does she have a chance of surviving, of coming out of this thing?'" Robert says. "I was very angry with God because I didn't want to make those decisions."

Don't you love all these stories the media has drug up over the last couple of days? First, Tom Delay's father, now Robert Schindler's mother? Too bad they didn't research Terri's life quite as well and interview folks who might have heard HER wishes.

There is a big difference in 'pulling the plug' on someone who is dying and has absolutely NO chance of surviving without it, and starving someone who death, who just might be able to eat in the normal way if given a little bit of therapy. Even if the decision is made to stop feeding someone you NEVER stop giving them fluids because that is what keeps them comfortable as they die. Michael wouldn't even allow Terri that modicum of comfort in her last days.

47 posted on 03/27/2005 2:07:03 PM PST by SuziQ
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The big difference here is that Terri is not in a coma, does not have Alzheimer's, and has not been diagnosed with a terminal infection such as MRSA. Most elderly patients with Alzheimer's end up that way.


48 posted on 03/27/2005 2:08:02 PM PST by TommyDale
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it is a little surprising to learn that Robert decided to turn off the life-support system for his mother.

I'm not surprised he decided to do that. His mother was severely ill.

Here are some symptoms of kidney failure

blood in stools, coma, delirium, hallucinations, confusion, vomitting blood, swelling, etc
.

This will be the new ploy of the Kill-Terri crowd.-----

Find every instance "plug-pulling" by someone who supported Terri...no matter how outrageous the comparison to Terri's case.

My mother, whose kidneys are functioning at a low level, is not obligated, by anyone's morality, to go on dialysis when her kidneys completely fail.

51 posted on 03/27/2005 2:13:53 PM PST by syriacus (Ask BARNEY FRANK to protect humans the way he's co-sponsored a bill to protect HORSES.)
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