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Gov. Bush: I can't help Terri Schiavo
CNN ^ | March 27, 2005

Posted on 03/27/2005 11:39:47 AM PST by El_Doctor

Rick Barnard of Morris, Illinois, wass arrested Sunday after trying to bring Terri Schiavo Easter communion. per cnn... ALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said on Sunday there is nothing else he can do to save Terri Schiavo's life. "I cannot violate a court order," Bush said after returning to the Governor's Mansion from Easter Sunday church services. "I don't have powers from the United States Constitution or -- for that matter from the Florida Constitution -- that would allow me to intervene after a decision has been made." To Terri Schiavo's parents -- who have said Bush should do more to help their daughter -- the governor said: "I can't. I'd love to, but I can't." The governor has been under public pressure from Bob and Mary Schindler, parents of the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman, and many religious groups to intervene further in the case. On Thursday, a Florida state judge denied a petition by Gov. Bush and the state Department of Children and Families to take Schiavo into state custody. (Full story) The Florida Supreme Court dismissed on Saturday -- for the second time in a week -- an emergency petition by the Schindlers to have their daughter's feeding tube reconnected. "I'm sad that she's in the situation that she's in," Bush said, commenting publicly on the case for the first time since Thursday. "I feel bad for her family. My heart goes out to the Schindlers and, for that matter, to [her husband] Michael [Schiavo]," Bush said. "This has not been an easy thing for any, any member of the family. But most particularly for Terri Schiavo."

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KEYWORDS: jebbush; jebisahero; jebisfinished; jebwasheshands; pontiuspilate; schiavo; terri; terripalooza; terrischiavo; troll
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To: freecopper01
He should declare Marshall Law.

Which would open a can of worms far worse than the death of one woman.

181 posted on 03/27/2005 1:09:41 PM PST by Modernman ("They're not people, they're hippies!"- Cartman)
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To: Capodistrias
It is not hysteria, nor fanatical fervor to point out that Gov. Bush, the President and other pro-lfe legislators have failed to face and meet the challenge which the very public case of Terri Schiavo has thrown at them.

It certainly is. Wait until the last minute, instead of getting Florida statutes changed, then expect Governors and Presidents to ride to the rescue by breaking the law.

The people of Florida can look in the mirror if they want to blame somebody. They sat on their hands for a full year after the previous law was declared unconstitutional, and still did nothing with the only body that can do anything about this, which is the Florida legislature.

Superman is a fictional character; political action is hard work, but the only thing that would have avoided the current situation.

182 posted on 03/27/2005 1:10:03 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: proust

The sheriffs say they would enforce the judge's order. Basically, waht you guys are askin gis for Jeb to ask state law enofrcement to get into a gun battle with local law enforcement, who is ismply following an order as well. The situation is awful. if Jeb goes ahead and does it, and the state law enforcement loses the firefight, it looks awful. If they win, and you have a couple dead local police officers, he look sbad. If none die, and they cant' get a doctor to reinsert it, he looks bad. If the judge orders him in comtempt, he looks bad. If the Fl Senate--which was not with him, starts having members call for impeachment, it looks bad.

Those are all risky. You guys dont use your brains, with all due respect. This isn't a computer game.


183 posted on 03/27/2005 1:10:18 PM PST by RightMike
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To: sinkspur

If you don't stop injecting logic into this thread, I'm going to have to report you.


184 posted on 03/27/2005 1:10:59 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Hand em their arse

yes, some are doing that. i'm with terri as much as anyone, but some people are losing it.


185 posted on 03/27/2005 1:11:06 PM PST by RightMike
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To: Wormwood
Am I the only one getting a little worried about FR these days?

Nope. Did you know that George W. Bush and Jeb Bush are murderers?

I didn't either, until I read it right here.

186 posted on 03/27/2005 1:11:55 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I would think the ending, court-approved carrying out of the patient's wish to die (cough cough), was pretty well mapped out. There was the constitutionally-flawed "Terri's Law" of a couple years ago, so awareness was certainly there on the part of Governor Bush. The facts of the case, the legal proceedings and so forth, have been available to anyone inclined to look at them.

Hindsight is 20-20, and I'm willing to bet that Jeb knows he made at least some tactical errors. I believe he is a good man at heart.

187 posted on 03/27/2005 1:12:18 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Judge Bork is not infallible.


188 posted on 03/27/2005 1:12:31 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: sinkspur

exactly. FL Senate & House had years to change the law. Senate wouldn't go along.

Jeb is not king. he is Governor. there is a difference.

Imagine if it was a different situation...some situation we didn't like, and the Governor defied a conservative judge and legislature, and started seizing people. What would you say then?

You've got to think about these things.


189 posted on 03/27/2005 1:12:32 PM PST by RightMike
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To: freecopper01

Good Lord, get a grip!!!

Actually, you know what? You might be right, maybe the other side doesn't just own him, maybe he ACTUALLY is going to back Hillary for '08?? Maybe, he's not even the real age he says he is, yeahh, maybe just maybe he's HAD ALOT of work done to make him look younger and he is really DEEPTHROAT, or THE SECOND SHOOTER or (GASP!!!) THE REAL STEROID SUPPLIER FOR ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL!!!

Come on man, will ya?


190 posted on 03/27/2005 1:12:37 PM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: sinkspur; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Actually, Robert Bork said neither Bush has the authority to act.
That's good to know.
191 posted on 03/27/2005 1:12:39 PM PST by Clara Lou (I'm not pro-death, I'm anti-hysteria. [WPPFF member since post #100])
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To: sinkspur
"They also won't elect a lawbreaker."

Lincoln put the Supreme court in jail and got reelected.

192 posted on 03/27/2005 1:13:11 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Cboldt

I think he's done what he can. without the Terri's law 2 years ago, Terri is already dead. sure, along the way, he might not have done everything perfect, but others are in this game too--bad attorneys, bad state legislators, etc.


193 posted on 03/27/2005 1:13:35 PM PST by RightMike
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To: Clara Lou
I respect Jeb's efforts. I also recall that he swore on a Bible to uphold the laws of the state of Florida. No one criticized him when he did that.

Good call. It seems to me that the real villain in all of this, if it can be narrowed to one, is JUDGE WHITTEMORE, not the Bushes. Whittemore was directed by the emergency legislation to re-try the entire case, absolutely from scratch, during which he could have simply ordered the tube reinserted.

Does anyone honestly think that Whittemore tried the case from scratch?

If not, then why isn't this Judge the one everyone is raising a stink over? He was the ONLY one who had the power to re-insert the tube. I can't even remember the last time I saw him mentioned by name, by a poster here, yet every other post is "blame Jeb."

Anyone who puts the blame on the Bushes is way off target. Last I noticed, the Bushes were the ones trying to install judges that interpret the law as it's actually meant to be interpreted. Anyone who tries to lash out by withholding support for Jeb or whoever because of some misdirected blame will help other Whittemores get into the system.

194 posted on 03/27/2005 1:14:41 PM PST by MitchellC
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To: Modernman

some people really act like this is a computer game. unbeliveable.


195 posted on 03/27/2005 1:14:44 PM PST by RightMike
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To: carl in alaska
If you do a search on "Biography of George Greer" you'll find a thread from Friday night that discusses how the Florida law was changed in 1999.

I read this article. It made my blood run cold, the hair stand up on the back of my neck, my stomach tie into knots. This is a very focused campaign, begun years ago, with the aim being the end result that we are witnessing now.

196 posted on 03/27/2005 1:16:56 PM PST by shebacal
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To: Clara Lou
"You're a streetpreacher because no one will give you a church..."

I tend to disregard most posters after writing such an original post.

Besides, no one can "give" anyone a "church". The church is Christ's and His alone.

"The world is my parish." - John Wesley

"Taking it to the Streets"

And what did Wesley do with this new-found certainty of God's saving grace? He took it to the streets. The most distinctive technique of the early Methodists for disseminating the gospel was to preach, not in the churches, but in the open air. Wesley declared, "The world is my parish!"

          Now, for a moment of demythologizing. We in the Wesleyan tradition take "The world is my parish" to be a mandate to evangelize, to tell the good news to everyone, this is what "evangelize" means, and to make the gospel real in service to all the world. But really, what John Wesley was doing when he made that proclamation was to turn a necessity into a virtue. You see, when Wesley caught on fire for the Lord after his heart was strangely warmed, he preached salvation through God's grace, not through church attendance, not through loyalty to the hierarchy, not through obedience to the crown, not through coins in the coffers. The bishops saw it as subversion of the institution and refused to appoint Wesley to a parish. So, he claimed the whole world as his parish, and for the next fifty years he was much more likely to be heard preaching in the open pit mines of Cornwall and Devon, in the marketplaces of cathedral towns, at the crossroads of small villages than in a church. Upstairs on the 22nd floor we have a stained glass window depicting John Wesley standing on his father's sepulcher outside the parish church in Epworth and preaching to a crowd because the vicar refused to let him inside the church.

          John Wesley and all the Methodist preachers after him took the gospel to the streets. He was not comfortable with it at first. He was really a conservative, staid man of convention. But, one day the great popular evangelist, George Whitefield, got sick and sent a message to Wesley imploring him to replaced Whitefield as a preacher at an outside revival. Wesley said that he first thought that no one could be saved outside of the church building and at any other time than 11:00 a.m. on Sunday, but when he looked at the lectionary reading for the day that he was to preach outside it was the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus preaching outside to the crowd. He admitted that the text was his precedent for breaking with tradition.

197 posted on 03/27/2005 1:17:09 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you’ll restore me)
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To: Modernman

Are you kidding?? You're right, I didn't... Lots of level-headed passionate people getting a little un-level-headed I'm afraid...


198 posted on 03/27/2005 1:17:36 PM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: RightMike

Thanks, Mike...


199 posted on 03/27/2005 1:18:24 PM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: streetpreacher
Besides, no one can "give" anyone a "church".
Smoke screen, and patently untrue.
200 posted on 03/27/2005 1:19:04 PM PST by Clara Lou (I'm not pro-death, I'm anti-hysteria. [WPPFF member since post #100])
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