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To: JonDavid
There is a basic understanding around here, that as soon as someone flings the word 'Nazi' flippantly around, they cannot be taken seriously.

What has been done to Terri is evil, and sooner or later, the facts will come out. What Michael Shiavo has done in denying Terri therapy, and the chance to live a full life, is evil, What Judge Greer has done to deny Terri the chance to have legal representation and to grant a new hearing based on new evidence is evil.

There is no question that this is eugenics at work in America. But by throwing around the word "Nazi" willy nilly, you diminish the argument, and anything rational you have to say will be dismissed.

If you are insistent on using the word at the expense of your own, and all the rest of our arguments that what has happened here is abominable, go ahead.

Just keep in mind that in your stubbornness and extremist rhetoric, you have hurt your own cause, and the cause of the protection of LIFE, and I, as a strong pro-life advocate find that disgusting.

And your recent sign on date makes me wonder if that wasn't your purpose in the first place.......

788 posted on 03/27/2005 9:04:34 AM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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To: ohioWfan
Perhaps you missed this I will repost, google useless eaters for more

Disability as Genocidal Marker in Nazi Germany The methods used for mass extermination in the Nazi death camps originated and were perfected in earlier use against people with physical, emotional, and intellectual disabilities. Developed from the article by Dr. Mark Mostert, this website describes the historical context of attitudes toward people with disabilities in Germany and how this context produced mass murder of people with disabilities prior to and during the early years of World War II.

793 posted on 03/27/2005 9:46:15 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ohioWfan
and this

Seems the Nazi comparison really ticks them off and it should but it once we begin state sponsored murder of the disabled how far removed from the Nazis are we? In the beginning the Nazi's would kill those whom did deemed as having a "life not worth living" is that not exactly what we are doing? We are not yet killing on the same scale but who knows what tomorrow brings. And if tomorrow bring massive killings, well it will still be legal so what will the obey the law crowd say then? Just how much is too much is a question that needs to be asked and answered before we travel that road.

795 posted on 03/27/2005 9:48:58 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ohioWfan
and lastly this

Do not be bullied into thinking that the Nazi analogy is false, it might be then again it might not be. We are just now testing state sponsored murder of handicapped people. Maybe it will end with Terry, maybe not. But what we do know for sure is that as another poster pointed out. We (lawyer/political class) have become so enamored of the process we have lost site of the end result. That is very very bad. Until we begin to hold the process accountable for the end result we are adrift without a moral compass.

796 posted on 03/27/2005 9:50:27 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ohioWfan
There is a basic understanding around here, that as soon as someone flings the word 'Nazi' flippantly around, they cannot be taken seriously


Denying a person Holy Communion on Easter that is being Starved & dehydrated to death to be is acting like a Nazi. Until you or someone like you takes away my right of free speech I will say what I want.
803 posted on 03/27/2005 10:29:10 AM PST by JonDavid
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To: ohioWfan
There is a basic understanding around here, that as soon as someone flings the word 'Nazi' flippantly around, they cannot be taken seriously.

I admire your attempt to raise the level of debate here above the Godwin crowd. However, I must point out a place where you also use hyperbole to make--and ultimately diminish--your point.

What Michael Shiavo has done in denying Terri [...] the chance to live a full life, is evil.

I think that Mrs. Schiavo denied herself a full life if she abused drugs and carried out her bulimic activities. Mr. Schiavo did not stick his finger down her throat or abuse her body the way she did.

I know that bulimia is strongly linked to childhood abuse, and I know that Mr. Schindler could be considered rather abusive of Mrs. Schiavo in the video (his gruff berating her and poking her in the head), but blaming him for her condition without proof of childhood abuse would also be as ridiculous as blaming Mr. Schiavo without any proof of wrongdoing. Again, if anyone is to blame for the loss of full life, it's Mrs. Schiavo and the doctor who did not diagnose and treat her bulimia properly. But for their actions, there would be no lunacy on this today.

Finally, it is quite obvious that therapy cannot restore a full life to a woman who has no cerebral cortex. Years of therapy provided no help for her, and although IANAP, the literature is clear that unless dramatic improvement is seen early on, further therapy is pointless.

819 posted on 03/27/2005 12:08:45 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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