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To: ohioWfan
There is a basic understanding around here, that as soon as someone flings the word 'Nazi' flippantly around, they cannot be taken seriously.

I admire your attempt to raise the level of debate here above the Godwin crowd. However, I must point out a place where you also use hyperbole to make--and ultimately diminish--your point.

What Michael Shiavo has done in denying Terri [...] the chance to live a full life, is evil.

I think that Mrs. Schiavo denied herself a full life if she abused drugs and carried out her bulimic activities. Mr. Schiavo did not stick his finger down her throat or abuse her body the way she did.

I know that bulimia is strongly linked to childhood abuse, and I know that Mr. Schindler could be considered rather abusive of Mrs. Schiavo in the video (his gruff berating her and poking her in the head), but blaming him for her condition without proof of childhood abuse would also be as ridiculous as blaming Mr. Schiavo without any proof of wrongdoing. Again, if anyone is to blame for the loss of full life, it's Mrs. Schiavo and the doctor who did not diagnose and treat her bulimia properly. But for their actions, there would be no lunacy on this today.

Finally, it is quite obvious that therapy cannot restore a full life to a woman who has no cerebral cortex. Years of therapy provided no help for her, and although IANAP, the literature is clear that unless dramatic improvement is seen early on, further therapy is pointless.

819 posted on 03/27/2005 12:08:45 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

What hyperbole? There is none in the statement you copied.


826 posted on 03/27/2005 1:05:29 PM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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To: Gondring
Responding to the second part of your post, do you have actual proof that Terri had any eating disorder, or is it just hearsay?

(And even presuming that it's true, is being bulimic a reason to murder someone?)

All the rest about Mr. Schindler is purely fiction, so it cannot be used in a responsible dialogue.

Finally, who is it who defines "full life?" Is someone not living a full life who has no use of arms or legs? Is someone not living a full life whose IQ is below average? Is someone not living a full life whose personality has changed following a stroke, or because of disease?

Do you seriously want a Judge Greer deciding if you have a "full life?"

Unless it is written on a legal affidavit, it MUST not be permissible to take the life of a healthy person. Terri was healthy until she began to starve and become dehydrated. She may have never had what you believe to be a "full life" but that gives no one the right to take it from her, and give her family no legal recourse to stop it.

This is beyond doubt, barbaric, and every legal resource needs to be used to keep this from ever happening again in America.

830 posted on 03/27/2005 1:36:45 PM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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To: Gondring
Please ignore my comments about Mr. Schindler. I just re-read your post, and realize I mis-read what you were saying.

I understand your point.

I have heard conflicting comments about any possible bulimia. Do you have medical documentation that Terri actually had it, or is it uncorroborated hearsay from Michael, as her wish to die under these circumstances is?

835 posted on 03/27/2005 1:59:49 PM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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