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To: FR_addict
Greer’s most notable accomplishment, during his first six year term as judge, was to cause needlessly a loss of a life, due to his negligence. During 1998, an estranged wife who presented evidence of her husband’s physical threats to do her great physical harm, sought an injunction to keep him away from her. Greer denied her request for injunction, claiming he was “following the law.” Days later, the husband stabbed the wife to death,

That's a pretty weak charge. Restraining orders aren't very effective at preventing a murder, and who knows what kind of evidence the wife presented to the judge. She was the one who was negligent in marrying a man with such a dark side.

Similiarly, if Terri Shiavo dies against her wishes it would be the result of her gross negligence in marrying Michael Shiavo and not communicating her wishes in the event of her incapacitation to her parents or in writing to anyone. Any negligence on the part of a judge trying to sort out these kinds of domestic disputes would pale in comparison.

5 posted on 03/25/2005 11:39:30 PM PST by ravinson
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To: ravinson
Similiarly, if Terri Shiavo dies against her wishes it would be the result of her gross negligence in marrying Michael Shiavo.

This just in: JFK caused his own assasination by going to Dallas.

This just in: Holocaust victims complicate by not leaving Europe soon enough.

And the list goes on and on and on and on. . . .

9 posted on 03/25/2005 11:59:36 PM PST by feedback doctor (it's Schindler, Her name is Terri Schindler)
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To: ravinson

The point is he did not even try to help protect this woman. You do not seem to understand that not much is needed for a restraining order.
She had called the polcie on him for setting her clothes on fire, correct?

Bet she had more evidence her boyfriend was dangerous than MS had stating Terri wanted to die.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 12:01:57 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: ravinson
Similiarly, if Terri Shiavo dies against her wishes it would be the result of her gross negligence in marrying Michael Shiavo

Here's the story of a women who did not exercise gross negligence with regards to Michael Shaivo:

What former girl friend Cindy Shook said in a deposition about Michael Schiavo:

In April 2001, Cindy Shook (married name Brasher) was interviewed by an investigator working in Terri’s behalf. Unwilling to come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, Cindy had to be subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, 2001 to try and learn more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael Schiavo’s character traits.

Excerpts; May 8, 2001 Deposition:

Cindy Shook describing Schiavo’s possessiveness. "he’s very jealous. He stalked me at my…at where I worked after I stopped dating…when he would get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly mean person"

When asked if she were afraid that Michael would physically harm her or if he would harm children:

"I am concerned about retaliation because I have a child -I have children and a husband. I know him, I know what he told me I said he could be a very mean person." She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a year after the breakup and that she received repeated phone calls.

"He came on the floor looking for me several times. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he would come up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time but later was scared.

"In town I would look up when I was driving…" she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael Schiavo. I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic. It continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She would change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this about ten times.

"One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right on top of where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous and guessed potentially life threatening."

Regarding Terri’s care, according to Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said:
"How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this."

18 posted on 03/26/2005 12:19:38 AM PST by feedback doctor (it's Schindler, Her name is Terri Schindler)
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To: ravinson
That's a pretty weak charge. Restraining orders aren't very effective at preventing a murder, and who knows what kind of evidence the wife presented to the judge. She was the one who was negligent in marrying a man with such a dark side. Similiarly, if Terri Shiavo dies against her wishes it would be the result of her gross negligence in marrying Michael Shiavo and not communicating her wishes in the event of her incapacitation to her parents or in writing to anyone. Any negligence on the part of a judge trying to sort out these kinds of domestic disputes would pale in comparison.

Why, George Felos! Fancy meeting you here on FR!!!
20 posted on 03/26/2005 12:26:58 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: ravinson
"That's a pretty weak charge."
Tell that to the gal who was murdered. Tell that to her family.

"Restraining orders aren't very effective at preventing a murder, and who knows what kind of evidence the wife presented to the judge."
True. But, it would have been an extra bit of insurance. It would not have hurt.

"She was the one who was negligent in marrying a man with such a dark side."
Wrong. According to that way of thinking, you would have to conclude that the rape victim is partly responsible for dressing provocatively. You would have to conclude that the mugging victim bears responsibility for walking in a rough area of town. You would have to conclude that the home owner who has a home invasion robbery bears responsibility for owning a home.
34 posted on 03/26/2005 8:55:30 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: ravinson
"That's a pretty weak charge."
Tell that to the gal who was murdered. Tell that to her family.

"Restraining orders aren't very effective at preventing a murder, and who knows what kind of evidence the wife presented to the judge."
True. But, it would have been an extra bit of insurance. It would not have hurt.

"She was the one who was negligent in marrying a man with such a dark side."
Wrong. According to that way of thinking, you would have to conclude that the rape victim is partly responsible for dressing provocatively. You would have to conclude that the mugging victim bears responsibility for walking in a rough area of town. You would have to conclude that the home owner who has a home invasion robbery bears responsibility for owning a home.
35 posted on 03/26/2005 8:56:55 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: ravinson

You are a fool.


55 posted on 03/28/2005 10:27:02 PM PST by Shortstop7
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