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Capitol bill aims to control ‘leftist’ profs [suing profs who teach evolution!]
Florida Alligator ^ | March 23, 2005 | JAMES VANLANDINGHAM

Posted on 03/23/2005 10:48:58 PM PST by Quick1

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Ugh, this kind of stuff hurts my brain from the ridiculousness of it all. Did the two parties switch last weekend, or is it just me? Democrats are suddenly the party of small government and states rights (see the schiavo case), and Republicans are suddenly the party of suing people who aren't being "tolerant".

Is it too late to give Florida back to Spain?

1 posted on 03/23/2005 10:48:58 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Quick1

I'm beginning to wonder myself.

It's not unlike the Bizarro World episode of Seinfeld.

"Sorry, we've already got a George..."


2 posted on 03/23/2005 10:50:48 PM PST by jra
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To: Quick1

Who will pay for evolution if they can't get government to fund it?


3 posted on 03/23/2005 10:52:01 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Quick1

"Creationism" does NOT BELONG IN A SCIENCE CLASS!


4 posted on 03/23/2005 10:52:17 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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Ah, and evolution does?

The term "creationism" here is used to refer to IDers. IDers don't hold that the world was made in 6 days. They also don't denounce that biology and adapting played some roll.

So what, exactly, is your beef?

Or were you over-reacting a bit?


5 posted on 03/23/2005 11:04:04 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Quick1

Intelligent Design and Creationism belong in a theology or philosophy class and shouldn't take up more than a footnote in a science class. Republicans need to be smart and not swing the pendulum too far right. I don't agree with this academic bill of rights, nor do I agree with tenure for professors. Can't students just go to class without being indoctrinated by people with a clear agenda?


6 posted on 03/23/2005 11:04:09 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Quick1
The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree. Professors would also be advised to teach alternative “serious academic theories” that may disagree with their personal views.

A well rounded education? Wow. What a concept!
Creationism is referred to as a "theory", but so is evolution. Heck, the evolution theory was adopted from the Chinese egg legend, where a big egg exploded, and a gooey fish type lizard popped out and grew into a man. They got their legend from examining a human fetus. First it looks like a fish, then a lizard, then a monkey, and then a man.
Evolutionists say they have the skeletal remains of an evolving man, but they're missing one link. Somehow, they want us to believe an ape creature can change it's entire cerebral and spinal column from that of an ape to that of a bear in one quick "missing" jump and become a completely new creature - ta da! A man! Sheesh! .

7 posted on 03/23/2005 11:07:35 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: PatrickHenry

You might be interested to see this.


8 posted on 03/23/2005 11:09:07 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Clemenza

"Creationism" does NOT BELONG IN A SCIENCE CLASS!



Absolutely correct. Creationsim does not belong in a science class and the reason has nothing to do with whether it is true, false or whatever. Creationism does not belong because it is not a scientific theory. Various theories of evolution on the other hand can be used to make predictions whose correctness can be tested via experiments and thus is a topic that should be covered in a science class.


9 posted on 03/23/2005 11:09:14 PM PST by Avenger
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To: bahblahbah

I agree with your approach, though I disagree with your reasoning on ID and evolutionism.

A simple 'nod' to adaptation (like the 'nod' I got towards gravity, seeings as we couldn't possibly cover all the info we DO have in a basic science class) would do. Cover the theory of evolution in biology and anthropology classes. They do that with the theory of gravity and physics classes.

The rest of the article is BS. They need to drop this "don't teach the holocaust" crap. Same with the Moon Landing and such. Get Big Brother out of my life!


10 posted on 03/23/2005 11:12:46 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: concerned about politics

Do you even have a shred of evidence for your claims?


11 posted on 03/23/2005 11:13:17 PM PST by Quick1
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To: bahblahbah

So students have no rights in your opinion, particularly when they are the ones paying for an education?


12 posted on 03/23/2005 11:13:51 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Avenger
Creationism does not belong because it is not a scientific theory.

Intelligent design is, and quantum physicists say a thought or...AHEM....a "word" (see the book of Genesis) had to have started it all.
Ever wonder why they've never done a DNA test on the evolved man skeletons? Well, they have. They're not human. That's why you haven't heard about it. It would destroy the entire Socialist Revolution. Decades of Government worship would be totally destroyed - and they've worked so darn hard to earn it, too.

13 posted on 03/23/2005 11:16:19 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Avenger

I will point this out to you as well:

Where does it mention "Creationism"? Or "Young Earth"?

It mentions ID, which points to a logical thought about patterns that can be observed.

Conversly, we cannot witness a species changing from one phenotype to another. Where's the "observation" in that? Evolution is also, NOT scientific. At least, if ID isn't.

Gotta hold the same standards, ya know?

ID belongs in the class if evolution does.

The rant about "creationism" was knee-jerking.


14 posted on 03/23/2005 11:16:33 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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The assertion of "intelligent design" is a topic which goes beyond science. Why? Because it is not possible to design an experiment which could potentially falsify the claim of intelligent design. Any scientific theory must possess this property of potential falsifiability. If a theory does not posses this property then the scientific method is not applicable and it therefore falls outside the scope of science. This doesn't not necessarily mean that it is not true. It just means that science has nothing to say about it and can say nothing about it.

Personally, I am partial to the idea of intelligent design, but this is a matter of faith, not science and therefore does not belong in a science class.


15 posted on 03/23/2005 11:16:55 PM PST by Avenger
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Evolution is also, NOT scientific. At least, if ID isn't.

Exactly how is Evolution not scientific? ID cannot be used to predict anything, and is not falsifiable. The same cannot be said of Evolution.
16 posted on 03/23/2005 11:18:50 PM PST by Quick1
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping!


17 posted on 03/23/2005 11:21:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Quick1

Predict something with evolution. Go ahead.

I'll wait until I grow an extra thumb if you like.

Evolution is ALSO not scientific in the fact that it is NOT OBSERVABLE. Even in a lab setting, we have not witnessed one species change into another.

Lack of an observation makes it merely an idea. Just like unicorns.

HOWEVER: ID has as much bearing as evolution does in this debate. We can easily see how it is possible to form molecules into life. And also to engineer said life. We know this because we know that we are in fact made OF molecules. By observation. There at least is a theory of how to go about forming life via engineering.


18 posted on 03/23/2005 11:23:19 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Paleo Conservative

If evolution needs to be sacrificed in order to start the ground swell of populust support required to get calculus out of the schools, then so be it.


19 posted on 03/23/2005 11:26:06 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Quick1

BUNK


20 posted on 03/23/2005 11:27:04 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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