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A short article which makes a compelling point. At least allow the poor woman to drink water, even if the system is too cruel to reinstall her feeding tube.The last sentence says it all.
1 posted on 03/23/2005 7:21:51 PM PST by Zivasmate
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remember the New York Times said that it is a painless and dignified death


2 posted on 03/23/2005 7:23:54 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Look! Jimmy Carter! History's greatest monster!)
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They won't let her do even that.


3 posted on 03/23/2005 7:25:37 PM PST by conservative cat
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How universally hated is Michael Schiavo right now?

What a heartless bastard, this SOB is.

4 posted on 03/23/2005 7:29:26 PM PST by bikepacker67 (#)
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=======ADVERTISEMENT TO KOPECHNE MURDER ANYONE BY COURT ORDER =======
=======================================================================

“I'll 'Kopechne' anyone you want. Call me at MurderbyGreer@aol.com.
Contribute enough to me, or arrange the money to go to a lawyer who contributes to me
and I will starve them to death. Trust me. There will a policeman at the bedside so no water
will be snuck to the 'bitch'. There will be no CSI here, either.
I'll deny their parents giving the 'bitch' a single drop of water. I'll even have them strip searched.
It just takes a stroke of my pen with me in my slick black robe. I'll even arrange cremation, too."

===== ORDERED TO BE MURDERED BY STARVATION BY GREER ======


WATER AND WARM MEALS SINCE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY REAPER AND JUDGE GREER
Murderer-At-Will Judge Greer 21
................... Terri Shiavo 0
................... Lee Malvo 18

5 posted on 03/23/2005 7:29:40 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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The moral case speaks for itself.

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Indeed it does. It's the strongest case we have.

7 posted on 03/23/2005 7:29:54 PM PST by trisham (choose life!)
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Not now. If that was tried Saturday, maybe. If her veins haven't collapsed, she needs an IV.


8 posted on 03/23/2005 7:32:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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The reason they won't allow Terri to drink water is that Judge Greer has prohibited anyone from giving her food or water orally, or any other way. Evil, evil people!


10 posted on 03/23/2005 7:33:45 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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Great article.
I agree: the craziness of those policemen standing guard to make sure she starves to death,I can't get over that.
Around here the police motto on their shield is to serve and protect.
I would not want to have to deal with their connscience.


12 posted on 03/23/2005 7:35:54 PM PST by northernlightsII
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Good post. Normally I would say that logic and reason have no place in the Liberal mind, but many liberals I know say there should be an attempt to feed and/or hydrate her.

Many have said this issue (Ms. Terri Schiavo's life) cuts across party lines. It does, but there are also a large minority that sit on the proverbial fence. To that large minority, I say jump, one side or the other. Because imo, the one's in black robes are starting to get out of hand.

5.56mm

13 posted on 03/23/2005 7:36:43 PM PST by M Kehoe
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Why were the feeding tubes originally inserted? I would like to know what keeps her from swallowing anything, even water.


15 posted on 03/23/2005 7:38:49 PM PST by bama4bush
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This is a travesty of justice!

Governor Bush must find some courage, for goodness sakes, and place Terri under protective custody. She is running out of time.


16 posted on 03/23/2005 7:39:13 PM PST by This Just In ((In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king))
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Judge Greer has always forbidden Terri to receive any fluids or foods orally, although nurses have surreptitiously defied him and done that, and Terri has been able to consume them.

The only explanation is that Greer is an all too willing accessoryy in Michael Schiavo's contiuned murder of his wife - dating from the original smothering of Terri's face into the hall carpet on February 25, 1990 that deprived her brain of oxygen.

Terri readily swallows her own saliva and is not aspirated at all and she could easily orally eat and drink with assistance.

19 posted on 03/23/2005 7:40:02 PM PST by Viva Christo Rey (May GOD & St. Philomena save Terri Schiavo from the EVIL USA)
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Why are they arresting kids who try to bring water in then? If it is perfectly legal to try to hydrate her "naturally" why are the Schindlers searched when they go in? They are not sneaking a feeding tube in.


20 posted on 03/23/2005 7:40:15 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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I agree TOTALLY! As a speech-language pathologist whose national association generally is very vocal in advocating for people with disability, I'm irritated that they don't have a voice at this moment. I don't know if this is because they agree with the treatment (and I use that term very loosely) that Ms. Schiavo is receiving OR if the media is choosing not to cover their stance.

In my experience, many people who have feeding tubes are successful in taking oral intake at least to supplement the nutrition/hydration given via the tube. I've not seen any report which documents that a comprehensive swallowing evaluation revealed that Ms. Schiavo is unable to swallow. In fact, the reality that she has survived this long, apparently without major respiratory complications, suggests that she IS able to effectively swallow her own secretions, and probably material which refluxes from her stomach.

It's time for a cry for a court order mandating that such an assessment take place. From a medical system that is bound by the principles of beneficience, non-malefesence and justice, Terri Schiavo deserves this chance.


21 posted on 03/23/2005 7:40:58 PM PST by Honeybunch
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Kevorkian must be enjoying this...judges forcing on people what he got convicted of doing.


25 posted on 03/23/2005 7:47:46 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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If she was a whale or a seal the other side would be on the beaches to push her back in to save her life. Human beings are so unimportant nowadays that we must fight for any dignity.


26 posted on 03/23/2005 7:48:27 PM PST by patso
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The Judge order they could not give her fluids orally, no communion, no brushing her teeth or washing her lips - she may get water that way.


29 posted on 03/23/2005 7:49:44 PM PST by GrandmaC (http://home.earthlink.net/~grandmac2)
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I can not believe that there is not a two step test here. For the sake of argument, say Terri said she would not want to live like this. Ok, agreed. 2nd test: Has the patient ever made it known that she not only would not want to live like this but that she also made it known that she would want to STARVE to death. I have heard many people say they would "not want to live like that" followed by "put a bullet in my head" or "put a pillow over my head" etc. - the point being "quick & painless (at least
compared to starving to death over a period of several weeks). How does anyone make the case that "she would not want to live like this" therefore "I want to starve to death". Are they not mutually exclusive arguments/statements ????????
I'm not an attorney but I have done labor arbitrations etc., and I know this is what I would ask of anyone bringing this case to me
regardless of the other issues. Stipulate the "don't want to live" but where is the evidence that "I want to die like this". If you agree
that there is a point here please get it out there - this woman does not have adequate representation. And NO, I'm not saying the inverse here - just trying to find a legal point to stop this murder. Keep the faith,


33 posted on 03/23/2005 7:51:42 PM PST by ironman54
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This should've (may have?) been an argument all along - since nurses have long testified that she could swallow food - indeed, if she couldn't swallow, she would choke on her saliva - which she doesn't/

michael won't allow mouth feeding...why? Maybe because you couldn't get a court sanction - even from a ghoul judge - to simple starve someone to death - you need the "illusion' that the feeding tube is keeping her alive...

I wonder if they could get permission to stabilize her and then at least try to mouth feed.

michael and the judge have forbidden anyone to try, for years, to feed her by mouth, not even to TEST it. How outrageous is that!

I hope real Justice is done here - I hope she is rescued and and a real investigation is done.

If a criminal investigation is done - it likely wont come under Greer - Hopefully, rotation would fall on a judge with a notion of right and wrong

39 posted on 03/23/2005 7:55:47 PM PST by maine-iac7 (."...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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I seriously wonder if the judges, the estranged husband, the hospice stand to gain income on the sale of Terri's organs after she dies. Her family won't know. This blood thirsty husband wants to quickly cremate her remians.

The haste and premeditation of her court ordered murder is astounding and shocking.

I cannot believe that all these judges paid for by the hard work of the American taxpayer, who dress in the finest suits and tailored shirts, who eat when hungry and drink when thirsty, have conspired in such a willful and capricious manner to kill an innocent defenseless handicapped woman based on hearsay.

42 posted on 03/23/2005 7:59:37 PM PST by harpo11
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