NEW Neurosurgeon WAS at Terri's bedside Today--says Terri is misdiagnosed

CNN 5:PM PT Anderson Cooper on | 3/23/05 | gentlestrength

[windchime]

I have finally accessed the link providing info on laws on euthanasia in Florida. You can follow the links through for specifics.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=euthanasia&URL=CH0765/Sec309.HTM

Don't feel bad about not knowing everything about Terri's case. It is so huge and involved that ALL the facts on it may never be known.

As you stated in your post, and I agree, it makes no difference (but for the legal aspects) what her condition is. She's a living human being and should not be regarded as a 'useless eater' who deserves only to be eliminated.

If Terri did not want to live, she wouldn't have survived so many attempts to snuff out her life.

Personally, I don't think anything but a miracle would put her in a recovered state. I do think proper treatment and therapy could provide improvement in her condition, if this latest deprivation hasn't harmed her irreparably. Even if that is the case, you don't kill her.

[Peach]

No. I've long since lost my patience. Someone actually said tonight that if Jeb Bush doesn't intervene, it will be the end of the free world.

FR has been taken over by kooks and people too lazy to do their own research. They have it practically built into their DNA that Michael is evil because some internet site told them so. They ignore court testimony from the Schindlers own lips that say differently. Truth used to mean something around here, but not anymore.

At first I thought Freepers looking at opposition research were looking for their own Buckhead moment.

Then I realized that most freepers do not understand that in hundreds of nursing homes and hospitals and rehab clinics around the country, families are having the feeding tubes and other life saving equipment removed. On the floor of the House Sunday night, Congressmen and some guy who was a doctor said it was thousands of times a day.

Of course, freepers who now think that posting actual court testimony is some kind of crime accuse me of making up that statistic. And which part of freeperdom didn't realize that feeding tubes were life support?

I give up on the ignorance and I so appreciate your research and work on this matter. Be well and recuperate quickly!

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

"He is "widely renowned" to most as a quack. He does good stuff treating whiplash and minor strokes if caught early enough with his patented use of vasodilators for those things"

Please clarify about whom you are speaking. I was referring to the neurologist at the Mayo Clinic. If you accuse him of being a "quack" by "most" you should probably explain, lest you appear to be incredible.

Just as you claim that you do not blindly follow, so do I. Please post links to your "1300 pages". Otherwise, I will go on what I have read. Your claim that his report was misleading is not specific.

Perhaps Terri's parents forgot because they were not asked. How is that relevant? Was the nurse not supposed to contact them? If so, why not?

You do not seem to be willing to defend your claim about Michael wanting a higher standard of care than Ms. Iyer was giving him, nor do you address this nurse's lack of credibility. What about those who corroborated what she said?

Like I said please post links, I will be happy to check them out and determine for myself if they are credible.

[Peach]

You're more than welcome. And you're right. It's a shame.

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

"If one can get the protective services to enter at this time they must have had something to pursue this long ago."

I agree, and perhaps it was a grave error not to persue that.

I would have no issue with her tube being removed if there was evidence that she wanted that, but there is a dispute. I guess I just think it is much better to give her parents a shot at her care if there is doubt.

Take care.

[GreenOgre]

Keep the faith buddy.

[spunkets]

"the deciding issue is whether or not there is clear and convincing evidence that Terri would or wouldn't want to be maintained on a feeding tube."

That's correct. The fact that Terri responded with great effort to comply with the exam given on Greer's orders prior to 2003 and documented in video and audio recordings indicates she understood what she was told about the reason for the exam. Given the fact that she did indeed respond correctly indicates she did not want the tubes removed at that time. That directive, an act of her own will, overrules anything she previously uttered as hearsay. That is why Greer's expert Bambakidis lied about Terri's response in his testimony to the court and why the tapes proving that Bambakidis's testimony was perjured were ordered sealed by Greer. Terri's cooperation is also the reason Mikey ordered that therapy and care be withheld.

[Peach]

:-)

[Gosh I love this neighborhood]

Thanks for taking the trouble to find the link.

[Former Military Chick]

Thanks for wishing us luck. As for patience well lets just it is "to be continued." It is difficult to discuss such personal subjects as one's ability to discontinue life support (learned today it is a life saving machine). I hope folks learn something from one another, I hope I offer something to the discussion.

I do think it is important, actually incumbent upon us to discuss and point out those comments that are not correct. I know I have been corrected and I took it graciously but I have seen the other end and frankly there is not cause for hurtful replies. We all can get it wrong but we are evolving and learn from our errors.

Couple of the things I have heard:

That he is going to run to the bank with all the winnings as it pertains to Terris death. I was again told today that he was to get 850.000 where the heck did that figure come from?

That she was a battered spouse. Is there any police reports?

Just give me the facts and please do not tell me about how her husband or her parents feel, what is that Terri wanted?

[absalom01]

First, I'm not trying to pick a fight here -- I'm trying to understand your position.

For the sake of discussion, I'll grant you that the diagnosis of PVS is correct. I'll grant that this was thoroughly litigated. I'll grant that there is a huge amount of emotionalism and irrelevant nonsense being tossed around by some who agree with me.

Granting the above, my question is this: Is it right (not just legal, but right) to kill someone soley because they have been diagnosed with PVS? If the answer is yes, then how do we know how to draw the line at PVS, and not, say, at Downs syndrome, severe autists, or other severly disabled people?

Seriously, this is not a flame, or bait; I really just don't understand, and very much want to.

[Trinity_Tx]

I was referring to your statement:

"And the neurologist that you claim to be incredible (boy everyone is!!) is a Nobel Prize nominee - not exactly considered a hack. Now the latest neurologist to see her has suggested that she may have been misdiagnosed. He is from the Mayo Clinic and is widely renowned. Another incredible hack?"

You are the one who has the docs mixed up.

The rest of your post... figure it out. If you want to believe Carla Iyer over the other nurses, you either haven't read the GAL reports, heard the comments by Pearse tonight, or ... I wont say.

You want links to all 1300 pages? lol

I told you - read my profile page. A lot of the links are there, the others can be accessed from them. the 900 pages of court transcript are not uploaded yet. Right now, I'm on pain meds and typing is painful, so it'll be a few days.

[windchime]

Regarding pursuit of Schiavo complaints:

http://www.theempirejournal.com/56092_FDLE_agent_implicates_mccab.htm

[Peach]

Seriously, if we don't like the way things are done currently, then work the system and get the legislation changed.

And if you want to be kept alive indefinitely regardless of the prognosis or your cognitive abilities, don't ever sign a living will and make sure that your family knows you don't mind being hooked up to a machine for a long time because maybe there's a new cure around the corner. And maybe there is.

On the floor of the House Sunday night Congressmen and at least one doctor said this is done thousands of times a day in America. I had thought hundreds. And they were referring to the fact that people are taken off life support equipment and feeding tubes. And most of that is without benefit of Living Wills and based on a doctor's recommendation and the family's consent.

[Salvation]

This is out on Fox News Channel.

Is it anywhere else?

[windchime]

You're welcome! Would have waited until I found it to post the first time.....but I live in Florida and wanted to let you know ASAP that killing expendable people was the not the law here (yet). ;)

[Trinity_Tx]

Oh sweet heavens.

Who gave you that load of nonsense?

Top to bottom, utterly false.

I've read his testimony. It sure isn't sealed. Besides, there were 3 others who testified in that trial to the same thing. (Gambone said *if* she did certain things it would mean PVS, but he could not tell, and that he wasn't a neurologist and left it to the other 3.)

I wouldnt trust cranford alone, at all.


But remeber that 8 other neurologists have diagnosed her as PVS since she came out of the coma, as have all her therapists. The only 2 who didn't were alternative med docs Maxwell (a radiologist who couldn't define pvs) and Hammesfahr, who we all know is a liar if only about his claim to be a nobel prize nominee. He was a lot more careful under oath about her abilities and hopes than he is shooting off in interviews.

With all my heart, I wished they had followed Wolfson's advice. Please read his report if you haven't.

On my profile page is also a link to a description of the 4 hours of video.
And read the links on my page to the court decisions of that (2002) trial.

My hand is about to fall off...

[Former Military Chick]

Hell that would have been so much easier. Why he doesn't is beyond me. He is not going to come into any landfall of cash once she passes away. He had been offered a huge tidy sum to divorce her and allow her parents to take charge of her care. This at least to my husband puts her husband in somewhat of a favorable light.

I honestly do not know why they chose that avenue. A man whom I seldom have anything nice thing to say about him, I think it is Boys (gore lawyer from his election) who said there were better arguments to support their case and wondered why they did not pursue them. I guess hind sight is 20/20.

Thanks again for your enlighten comments on the thread.

[lonevoice]

Thanks for an informative post. I hadn't heard about the discrepancies in Bombakikis' testimony vs the videotape.

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

Actually, if you look at my statement, I was talking about two doctors. I did not say you were mixing them up - I only asked you to please clarify your remarks.

You told another poster to look at your profile, but I will be happy to. As for the link you posted, you say in one breath that this forum is not the place for credible research, yet you refer me to another thread!! I checked out some of the links about Dr. Hammesfahr. There is another OPINION from a doctor about his research. Why take one on face value over the other? I have done a search of my own and there are many positive opinions as well.

I have read GAL reports, though I did not hear Pearse tonight. I was making a point that if you refute facts by others, you should back up your assertions, not simply tell people to do the research because obviously many of us have read a great deal about this.