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Michigan bill would ban medical decisions if adultery is involved
AP ^ | 3/22/2005 | Amy F. Bailey

Posted on 03/22/2005 4:03:02 PM PST by Crackingham

A Michigan lawmaker is working on legislation that would prohibit a spouse having an affair from denying food, fluids or medical treatment to a wife or husband who cannot make such decisions.

Rep. Joel Sheltrown on Tuesday said he wants to avoid a situation similar to Terri Schiavo's.

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Sheltrown, a Democrat from West Branch, said Michigan should strengthen its protections before a similar situation happens here.

"While people, in happier times, may trust their spouses to make future medical decisions for them, situations change," Sheltrown said in a statement. "In a situation where an incapacitated patient lives at the mercy of an adulterous spouse, it is in the patient's interest to make a presumption in favor of life."

Michigan law already prohibits the denial of life-sustaining treatment, such as food and water, unless the patient has expressed that such action be taken, said Sheltrown, who expects to introduce the bill in about three weeks.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: adultery; blessedterri; investigatemichael; jesusmercy; prayforterri; schiavo; stupidwasteoftime; tearsforterri; terri; terrischiavo
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To: sinkspur
This is not about saving Terri Schiavo. It's about the Schindler's versus their son-in-law.

Yeah, that's what a lot of people around here are saying.

101 posted on 03/22/2005 4:44:52 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: the Deejay

Maybe I should be a private eye. THey are going to get a LOT more business.


102 posted on 03/22/2005 4:45:21 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Used to be, medical professionals were required and honor-bound to take whatever extra-ordinary measures were available to preserve a life. Living Wills were designed to tell them, if effect, I don't want you do do that; Let me die.

But you, in a fit of logic-impairment, have concluded that if an individual does NOT create a Living Will, then medical professionals (and the courts) should assume s/he wants them to act as if s/he did create a Living Will.

Don't quit your day job to go into any career requiring the use of logic at any level.

103 posted on 03/22/2005 4:46:08 PM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Randjuke
This is insane. How are they going to define an affair? A moment of weakness? Kissing somebody of the opposite sex? Platonic relationships? Does sex have to be involved?

Agree.

This could be a slippery slope to the max.

104 posted on 03/22/2005 4:46:17 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: steveegg
If the dems are stupid and primary out Sheltrown with a cultural lib, then they are handing that seat to the republicans.

Bush got 54% in that district.

105 posted on 03/22/2005 4:46:32 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Mark Sanford in 2008!!)
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To: Neets

Big time.

Freepers want to keep people alive, regardless of the fact that they have no brain activity, indefinitely. Until nature takes its course they tell me.

Problem is, if nature had its way, Terri would have been dead 15 years ago. The machines aren't natural at all and people can now live indefinitely, on machines. Which cost the earth.

It's a burden Medicaid and the health community can't absorb. But hey, what's a little tax increase among friends. Like by 75% or so.


106 posted on 03/22/2005 4:48:56 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: sinkspur

You just don't get it, do you?

Remember Scott Peterson?

At the rate we're going, in 50 years what he did will be legal.


107 posted on 03/22/2005 4:49:28 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: savedbygrace
But you, in a fit of logic-impairment, have concluded that if an individual does NOT create a Living Will, then medical professionals (and the courts) should assume s/he wants them to act as if s/he did create a Living Will.

Since 80% of Americans now want to be allowed to die or to be helped to die if badly injured, that is now the norm. It is up to those who want extraordinary care to make their wishes known or accept standard non-treatment.

If you try to live in the past, you will become a part of it.

SO9

108 posted on 03/22/2005 4:50:46 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Dog
To claim this the person you are trying to save is already in the hosptial and can be no help.

Private eyes. Dick Tracy. I'm signing up.

109 posted on 03/22/2005 4:51:21 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Dog

I'm taking applications for a new internet girlfriend. Preferably over 18 but not old enough to know better.


110 posted on 03/22/2005 4:51:42 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Peach
Lawyers all over are going to be making extra $$$ over this case.

Law offices are going to be bombarded w/ppl wanting to make up a Living Will.

We got ours make about 8 yrs. ago. It was not cheap. About $2,500 for Living Will & Family Trust.

111 posted on 03/22/2005 4:52:32 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: Peach
I get it. Cut taxes...kill the disabled.

That's been done before. Well the "kill the disabled" part, anyhow.

112 posted on 03/22/2005 4:52:33 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts

Such hyperbole there's no way to respond.


113 posted on 03/22/2005 4:53:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
It's a burden Medicaid and the health community can't absorb.

Yeah and all those old and sick people, I mean they've already lived their lives, why can't they just "take one for the team?"

114 posted on 03/22/2005 4:54:02 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Dog
The problem here is there is obviously no point of law that will allow questioning of both the moral character and motivation of the guardian, or, in this case, the husband-in-name-only.

When a spouse who has benefitted monetarily -- to the tune of almost $2 mil -- and who has used that money to support a second family -- declares after he has won (and spent) the $$$, that he conveniently remembers his wife stating that "she wouldn't want to live that way," there should be some cause for concern by the courts.

I agree this proposed Michigan law probably won't stand muster -- but it's really just an indication of the extreme frustration of those who have followed this case.

I'd love to see Michael Schiavo's depositions in the multiple malpractive lawsuits that netted him the cash. He and his attornies were surely singing a different tune about how poor Terry needed long-term care due to the nasty doctors, and how poor Michael was forever deprived of his conjugal rights -- two factors that very obviously no longer exist.

At the very least, I'd say the insurance companies should sue for a refund.

/s

115 posted on 03/22/2005 4:54:02 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Peach
Maybe I should be a private eye. THey are going to get a LOT more business.

That too!

Specialize in spouses who have a spouse teetering on the edge.

116 posted on 03/22/2005 4:54:53 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: the Deejay

Just plain old Living Wills are cheaper though.

And for those who don't have much money, I'd type something out, there are forms to use on the internet, have it witnessed and notarized, etc.

And tell family members. It's better than nothing.

It's those Trusts that eat up the money :-)


117 posted on 03/22/2005 4:54:59 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Crackingham

The answer here is to have everything in writing. After this, there is no excuse for anyone to not have a living will, and/or advanced medical directives. If you want everything done for you, forever you'd better write it down. If you don't want to be kept alive if you're not really home, it had better be written down.


118 posted on 03/22/2005 4:56:06 PM PST by Melas
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To: Dan from Michigan
If the dems are stupid and primary out Sheltrown with a cultural lib, then they are handing that seat to the republicans.

Bush got 54% in that district.

Who said they're smart?

119 posted on 03/22/2005 4:57:21 PM PST by steveegg (Let the DemonRATs eat gridlock. Nuke 'em, Frist.)
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To: Neets

Just pass a law that no one in the United States is allowed to die and get it over with.


120 posted on 03/22/2005 4:57:49 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Pedro offers you his protection)
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