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RUSH LIMBAUGH LIVE THREAD ( those who want an update and accurate on TERRI SCHIAVO STATE!
WABC radio ^ | MARCH 22, 2005

Posted on 03/22/2005 9:24:20 AM PST by restornu


Terri Brother ..................Terri early on in a hospice .................. Michael has let his wife deteriate!
Compare the early Hospice Photo

At this time Terri was able to chew and swallow and was learning to use the pararall bars to walk again...as soon as the malpactice law suit was won Michael Schiavo remember his wife wanted to die...so he would move her from one location to another every time they thought she was ready to start rehab again!

Lets try to have the same page to fight the MISLEADING OUT THERE!


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To: Two-Bits
Funny how so many of the "noble" native cultures treated their elders as garbage or sacrificed their young to false gods ;why did the civilized people bother to stop those practices only to adopt them a few hundred years later ?

Is it because man unrestained and without fear of God is basically selfish ?

501 posted on 03/22/2005 6:02:58 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: Miss Marple
Some Florida Statutes that might interest you:

Florida Statues Prohibit Deliberate Acts to End Life

744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--

Under that last heading:

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:

(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

(e) To have a qualified guardian.

(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.

CHAPTER 825

ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND EXPLOITATION OF ELDERLY PERSONS AND DISABLED ADULTS

825.101 Definitions.--As used in this chapter:

(4) "Disabled adult" means a person 18 years of age or older who suffers from a condition of physical or mental incapacitation due to a developmental disability, organic brain damage, or mental illness, or who has one or more physical or mental limitations that restrict the person's ability to perform the normal activities of daily living.

(8) "Intimidation" means the communication by word or act to an elderly person or disabled adult that the elderly person or disabled adult will be deprived of food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, medical services, money, or financial support or will suffer physical violence.

825.102 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.--

(1) "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:

(b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult; or

A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult; or

(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who commits aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)(a) "Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means: 1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly person or disabled adult; or

Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or psychological injury, or a substantial risk of death, to an elderly person or disabled adult.

(2)(a) If the funds, assets, or property involved in the exploitation of the elderly person or disabled adult is valued at $100,000 or more, the offender commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Also:

765.309 Florida Statute: Mercy Killing of Euthanasia Not Authorized; Suicide Distinguished. -- (1) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of dying. (2) The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide.

Here is a nice long list of Judge Greer's illegal actions in this case.

502 posted on 03/22/2005 6:11:45 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: Peach
Peach, stop with the BS....Whenever a nerve is hit, immediately the old Nazi card comes up.....No where in my post did I mention Nazi so how do you come up with that deduction..Hmmmm Come on Peach, I expect more from you...I thought the elderly on the iceberg was pretty good.

You stated the following:
Including the fact that our medical community and Medicaid cannot possibly sustain the cost of keeping people who have no quality of life alive indefinitely.
Your words not mine, so define quality of life. You made the statement so clarify it. I feel people with small minds are a waste of breath but who am I to decide...

Peach, this is not sad because you are the last person I would expect to have an intelligent dialog with. As I have said before, be nice to your family and pray that someday society will not want to put you down worse than a rabid animal.....because this is were we are heading and you know that....What is the issue here? We kill our unborn because even though there are plenty of birth control methods to go around....Somehow it is just easier to get rid of it. Abortions are declining so now we go after the baby boomers. Is that the next get rich quick scheme? Oh Peach, Peach, Peach....So So So Sad....

503 posted on 03/22/2005 6:20:14 PM PST by Two-Bits (I AM HEARTSICK AND SOUL MAD!!!! DO NOT GET A DNR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT TO DEATH.)
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To: Two-Bits
Were these or were these not your words? And if you weren't referring to Nazis, why don't you tell us what you were referring to.

You my dear were born in the wrong generation and wrong country. You miss your calling a couple of generations ago. There were a whole race of people marching lockstep with your way of thinking

504 posted on 03/22/2005 6:22:03 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Did Germany or not put their old, infirmed, and handicap to death because they were a strain on Society?

Your words again: (instant replay - Boy I just love these instant replays)
Including the fact that our medical community and Medicaid cannot possibly sustain the cost of keeping people who have no quality of life alive indefinitely.
Your words not mine, so define quality of life. You made the statement so clarify it. I also stated that I feel people with small minds are a waste of breath but who am I to decide...

Now Peaches, you and I have been posting back and forth to each other the last couple of days and you have yet to answer any of my questions including the burka??? Was I right about Powder Blue?

505 posted on 03/22/2005 6:33:08 PM PST by Two-Bits (I AM HEARTSICK AND SOUL MAD!!!! DO NOT GET A DNR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT TO DEATH.)
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To: Two-Bits

#1. I don't remember posting with you before.

#2. So you were posting about Nazis.

#3. I am finished posting with people who use Nazi and burka references. It says so much about you that you can't debate the facts without resorting to that. Pity.


506 posted on 03/22/2005 6:34:36 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Oh peach, go back and read your posts. Should I be concern that maybe your memory is not what it should be? Oh Oh.....Oops....Sorry Peach, I did not know. Everyone please, let me be the first to say that Peach is no way infirmed nor is this person a burden on society. We all get forgetful once in awhile. Okay, Peach this is the last post. You made my point and you did it beautifully. Bless your heart, you are a real peach.


507 posted on 03/22/2005 6:44:36 PM PST by Two-Bits (I AM HEARTSICK AND SOUL MAD!!!! DO NOT GET A DNR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT TO DEATH.)
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To: Peach; Miss Marple; jwalsh07; sola_fide; mewzilla; zippee; Coop; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
This thread seems video has been Omitted.....

Data on the CT-scan!

THERE ARE BIG QUESTIONS BEING RAISED ABOUT THAT Terri Schiavo's CT-SCAN?

I was having trouble with the TS Timeline there is a gab between 94-98 this is about 1995!


508 posted on 03/22/2005 7:58:30 PM PST by restornu (Dems Hegelian Agenda...1 Population Control 2 Create Fear Pain 3.Solution Abortion/ Euthanasia)
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To: Peach; Miss Marple; jwalsh07; sola_fide; mewzilla; zippee; Coop; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Scroll down!

All That Glitters is a SHUNT

Next mystery: Why is there a shunt in Terri's ventricle? This CT image is "flipped" (i.e. the CT scan is mirror-image backwards which is just an inconsequential error made when scanning the image into the computer), so the right side is LEFT and vice versa. However, everyone can see, easily, the ovoid white object sitting in the front of the big black butterfly in the center of Terri's brain, correct?

That shining object is the tip of a shunt. A shunt is a tube inserted into the brain to reduce pressure caused by build-up of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) in the brain. That big black butterfly in the middle of Terri's brain is her ventricular system, which holds the CSF and in Terri's case, it is enlarged (dilated).

Now...why was Terri being shunted in 1996? First, if Terri's brain damage was due to oxygen deprivation, her enlarged ventricles would be by a passive mechanism -- which is not amenable to shunting -- not by obstruction of the egress of CSF. To me, the presence of a shunt indicates obstruction to the flow of CSF that needs to be circumvented. Obstruction to flow is hard to postulate given the mechanism of Terri's brain injury (oxygen deprivation).

It would NOT be hard to postulate, however, if she had BLOOD in her head at some point in the past. So did she? Was there a history of trauma? I would like to see the BONE SCAN taken of Terri that purportedly showed evidence of traumatic type osseous uptake!


It is quite unusual to see high-pressure hydrocephalus when the mechanism of brain injury was INFARCTION; and, more so six years after the event.


So


IS THIS REALLY TERRI'S CT?

IF it is then her atrophy is SEVERE, BUT not as bad as has been implicated by the press and the courts

IF it is then why did she have hydrocephalus six years after her non traumatic infarction

IF it is... why was she shunted...AND IS SHE STILL shunted? IF not, why was the shunt removed?

IF it is, why does the Second District Court NOT mention Terri's hydrocephalus in it's dissertation on Terri's woeful cerebral condition??

IF Terri DOES have hydrocephalus from ventricle blockage, was there trauma that caused bleeding that lead to hydrocephalus on the basis of a blood clot obstructing ventricular outflow?

IF so, what was that trauma?

IF Terri had hydrocephalus in 1996, she may still have hydrocephalus now; some patients with hydrocephalus respond to shunting with increased mental functioning!


IF THIS IS NOT TERRI'S CT THEN WHERE IS HER CT?

Based on this evidence Terri Schiavo should have a CT scan repeated. She should also have an MRI and a PET scan to gage the severity of her brain dysfunction.


IF THIS IS TERRI'S CT OF THE BRAIN, SOMETHING MAY BE VERY WRONG

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html


509 posted on 03/22/2005 8:17:50 PM PST by restornu (Dems Hegelian Agenda...1 Population Control 2 Create Fear Pain 3.Solution Abortion/ Euthanasia)
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Terri Schiavo Bombshell

According to Dr. William Hammesfahr, world renowned neurologist:

Terri's feeding tube is for the convenience of nurses; not because Terri needs it. Terri does not drool. Liquid is the hardest thing to swallow, and she swallows 1½ to 2 liters of saliva a day.

Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state or coma. She is a living thinking person who makes choices and decisions. This is terrible. They are trying to kill her. While Dr. Hammesfahr was examining her, he observed Terri chose to ignore her husband Michael and, the person taking the video. When Terri heard her mother's voice, she smiled and tracked her. Terri moved her arms and legs as Dr. Hammesfahr requested her to.

(Videotapes show Terri reacting to people. These are at terrisfight.org scroll down to "Videos of Terri.") A persistent vegetative state, by definition, allows no awareness of the world or ability to interact with the world.

(The video entitled, "Asked to open her eyes" allows you to see and hear the examination. When she opened her eyes on command, the doctor said, "There you go, good. Good! (Laughing) Good job! Good job, young lady, good job!")

(The video entitled, "Tracking a balloon" allows you to see and hear the examination. When she followed the balloon, the doctor said, "Look over here, Terri. There you go. Can you follow that, Terri? There you go. Can you follow that at all? Can you see that? OK. Look over here. That's fine. That's it. Now come over here. You see that, don't you, huh? You do follow that a bit, don't you, huh? OK, look up here. That's good!")

Dr. Hammesfahr said the doctor who complimented Terri for following the balloon later testified in court that she was in a persistent vegetative state. Dr. Hammesfahr stated this is "medical malpractice and attempted murder."

Terri did not have a heart attack. There were no cardiac enzymes in her blood, and no abnormalities in her EKG.

Terri was admitted into the emergency room with a very, very stiff neck consistent with brand new injury to her neck.

Dr. Hammesfahr had seen the combination of injuries Terri suffered (spinal cord injury, brain injury, and neck injury) one other time. That was in an attempted strangulation case.

A police report was sent to homicide. There was no follow-up; no investigation by police. Dr. Hammesfahr said Terri's situation is unique - he consistently sees wrong things happen to Terri. There is no law enforcement follow-up now for fear of stepping on toes.

Terri's bone scan revealed Terri was a victim of multiple traumas - doctors were mandated to report it. There was no history of trauma prior to her marrying Michael. The fractures had to happen after marrying him. First lumbar vertebra fracture is common when thrown against a table.

At first, Terri had physical therapy, rehabilitation, and speech therapy. Electrodes were planted in her brain stem. A month or two later, she was more responsive. She got better with rehabilitation. She spoke appropriately at times, saying such things as, "I am hungry."

When electrodes are implanted, there needs to be follow up because the electrodes could be the source of possible infection and hydrocephalus. If there is no follow up, one is risking further injury. No follow-up was given.

Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions fail someone in so many ways.

Terri's 1996 brain scan shows 75% normal brain tissue; not scar tissue. It is not all fluid. That report is bogus. Her cortex is not missing; not at all. Some areas are thinned, probably due to hydrocephalus, with the fluid pushing against her brain. She is functioning. That is what is important. I have seen people a lot worse than her, and they are talking. A brain scan taken two years ago showed improvement.

The EEG (electroencephalogram, which is a test of brain activity) showed there was no recognizable brain activity. However, three doctors said she was restless. Muscle activity gives a reading, just as the brain does, producing artifact. By filtering out the artifact, the brain activity was also filtered out. The EEG should have been taken at her bed where she could relax. Judge Greer refused further testing. Dr. Hammesfahr said no further scan is needed because Terri is functioning, which obviously shows brain activity.

Judge Greer would not allow an eye examination, even though she is legally blind. She can only see objects 12" - 18" away.

She is isolated even though her condition demands sensory input.

Terri's medical records, which are legal documents, were falsified. Detailed records of Terri's responsiveness were thrown away. Nurses who were not even on duty wrote fraudulent reports as though they had been caring for Terri.

Why is it that Terri has to prove herself worthy of living? This is against the law in Florida. She is not in a persistent vegetative state. She is not terminal, even though she has been (illegally) in a hospice.

(If the judge were to order a swallowing test, strict care would be needed to ensure Terri were not sedated to the point she could not swallow. )

(This is not about "letting her die" because she is not dying. This is about deliberately killing her: Murder.)

These are notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet broadcast featuring Dr. Hammesfahr on http://www.highway2health.net

Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully to restore deficits caused by stroke. His technique is approved by Medicare, and he was nominated in 1999 for a Nobel prize for this work which he started in 1994.

Dr. Hammesfahr has great success. Most doctors think a brain injury that has been there awhile is not treatable. He has had success with these cases, and he is convinced Terri would improve. (Improvement should not be required for Terri to be allowed to live).

Dr. Hammesfahr's contact information:
Web site is http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/
E-mail address hnihelp@yahoo.com
Phone number 1-800-673-6400


510 posted on 03/22/2005 8:58:25 PM PST by restornu (Dems Hegelian Agenda...1 Population Control 2 Create Fear Pain 3.Solution Abortion/ Euthanasia)
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To: restornu

Major problem in the first few sentences of that blog, Code Blue. She didn't have a heart attack. She had cardiac arrest. Big diff. I stopped reading right there.


511 posted on 03/22/2005 9:33:51 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach; Miss Marple; jwalsh07; sola_fide; mewzilla; zippee; Coop; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; ...
Major problem in the first few sentences of that blog, Code Blue. She didn't have a heart attack. She had cardiac arrest. Big diff. I stopped reading right there.

I find your reasoning disengenious for that was not Codeblue saying that....Codeblue was reporting what the 2nd district said!

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Thanks to reader "primer" I've been directed to the University of Miami Ethics program website where they posted this image from a CT scan of Terri Schiavo's brain in 1996. The sentence attached to the link for this scan on the site says:

CT scan of Ms. Schiavo's brain, showing extensive cortical regions filled with spinal fluid.

If you go to this link you can see the scan in a larger reproduction.

A COURT OF MEDICAL LIGHTWEIGHTS WEIGH IN ON TERRI'S CT.

The Second District's first opinion in this case explained:

Since 1990, Theresa has lived in nursing homes with constant care. She is fed and hydrated by tubes. The staff changes her diapers regularly. She has had numerous health problems, but none have been life threatening.

Over the span of this last decade, Theresa's brain has deteriorated because of the lack of oxygen it suffered at the time of the heart attack. By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure. At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply gone and has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid. Medicine cannot cure this condition. Unless an act of God, a true miracle, were to recreate her brain, Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs.

BTW this is also where you got this CT-scan from!

I also found this wording in....

IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL OF FLORIDA SECOND DISTRICT

In re GUARDIANSHIP OF Theresa Marie SCHIAVO, Incapacitated.

Robert Schindler and Mary Schindler, Appellants,

v.

Michael Schiavo, as Guardian of the person of Theresa Marie Schiavo, Appellee.

No. 2D00-1269.

Jan. 24, 2001.

Over the span of this last decade, Theresa's brain has deteriorated because of the lack of oxygen it suffered at the time of the heart attack. By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure. At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply gone and has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid.

Medicine cannot cure this condition. Unless an act of God, a true miracle, were to recreate her brain, Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs. She could remain in this state for many years.

512 posted on 03/23/2005 12:17:56 AM PST by restornu (Dems Hegelian Agenda...1 Population Control 2 Create Fear Pain 3.Solution Abortion/ Euthanasia)
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To: beyond the sea

Bump.


513 posted on 03/23/2005 3:12:58 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
Michael Schiavo, given his assertion is true, that "she would never would want to live like that," denied her wishes for nearly 2,800 days. In addition, he kept that information, along with his brother's and sister-in-law's knowledge of it, to him, and their, selves.

This guy is EVIL. What about ALL HER BROKEN BONES?

514 posted on 03/23/2005 3:27:26 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: beyond the sea
Indeed, the evidence of "all the broken bones," but my point was, that if you give Michael Schiavo the "benefit of the doubt" regarding her wishes, he did not act in defense of her wishes.

The crowd that is worried about being trapped in suspended animation, and so they are arguing in his favor of now ending her life, wishes to ignore the timeline during which he failed to honor her request.

The crowd that is worried about being trapped in suspended animation, and so they argue that they do not want outside interference against their wishes (I agree), still cannot face the fact that Michael did not comply as they now wish to imagine that their spouse or guardian would.

The crowd that is worried about being trapped in suspended animation, envisions that they will be only held in suspended animation for some few days or perhaps a couple weeks, but the Michael Schiavo standard for honoring your wishes to "not live like that," is to NOT honor your wishes until AFTER a 2,800 day time period.

515 posted on 03/23/2005 3:48:59 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Peach
Why didn't those nurses testify under oath? Why didn't they approach Terri's parents and ask to testify in 2002? If not before, of course.

I have no idea. But why do you take the word of Michael Schiavo over them? The inconsistencies and questionable motives here far exceed "reasonable doubt," especially when we're talking about killing someone. Not "letting them die," as in disconnecting a ventilator, but intervening with the intent to kill a woman.

516 posted on 03/23/2005 3:53:14 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: beyond the sea

Michael Schiavo is a Bully and a LIAR and yes EVIL. Anyone who believes otherwise is DELUSIONaL!


517 posted on 03/23/2005 3:54:25 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: restornu
"Dr. Hammesfahr said he never has seen so many people and institutions fail someone in so many ways."

The understatement of the year! Prayers for Terri!

518 posted on 03/23/2005 3:58:24 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: restornu
Theresa IS NOT UNconscious. Lie to yourself all you want but the rest of us know the truth. You are allowing a handicap woman who does not meet YOUR CRITERIA as to what life should be and be put to death. My God what is wrong with you people. Where in the hell did you put the pods?
519 posted on 03/23/2005 5:08:19 AM PST by Two-Bits (I AM HEARTSICK AND SOUL MAD!!!! DO NOT GET A DNR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT TO DEATH.)
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To: Coop

There maybe some connection either by relation or lack of soul. It is scary the more information the comes out regarding this case, the more we should be aware of people like Peach.


520 posted on 03/23/2005 5:11:44 AM PST by Two-Bits (I AM HEARTSICK AND SOUL MAD!!!! DO NOT GET A DNR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT TO DEATH.)
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