RUSH LIMBAUGH LIVE THREAD ( those who want an update and accurate on TERRI SCHIAVO STATE!

WABC radio ^ | MARCH 22, 2005

[restornu]

Terri Brother ..................Terri early on in a hospice .................. Michael has let his wife deteriate!
Compare the early Hospice Photo

At this time Terri was able to chew and swallow and was learning to use the pararall bars to walk again...as soon as the malpactice law suit was won Michael Schiavo remember his wife wanted to die...so he would move her from one location to another every time they thought she was ready to start rehab again!

Lets try to have the same page to fight the MISLEADING OUT THERE!

[conservativewasp]

"I say it's done thousands of times across the nation to PVS and other kinds of patients for which there is no hope."

She's not PVS. Plenty of people have said there is hope. He stopped treatment, right down to teeth cleaning, as soon as he got paid.

[Miss Marple]

Just because something is done thousands of times across the nation doesn't make it right. We have millions of abortions every year, and I don't think those are right, either.

I would like to know how many disabled people (not those who are suffering terminal cancer or other disease) but people who could live for a long time in otherwise healthy condition, but for their disability, how many of those are dehydrated?

It's very simple to me; if she is in a PVS state, she isn't suffering and it does no harm to let her parents assume her care. If she is NOT in a PVS state, then she should be cared for by someone who would give her therapy.

I choose to err on the side of life, rather than hearsay testimony.

You will note I base my decision not on any accusations against the husband or the judge. I simply think that without a written directive one cannot make the decision to withhold food and water, I don't care if her PARENTS wanted to do so.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

I'm also not for demonizing her husband, he is portrayed as a monster but I don't believe that is fair.

It's not a total loss. Schiavo's a conquering hero over on DU. And everybody knows what fine judges of character they have over there.

[Ethrane]

"I say it's done thousands of times across the nation to PVS and other kinds of patients for which there is no hope. Well, and I don't just say it. Doctors and congressmen testified to it the other night."

I've been practicing medicine for almost 15 years now, and I find this hard to believe.

There is a differnce between removing someone from a ventilator or a heart/lung machine and prohibiting provision of nutrition.

It is even different say for a terminally ill cancer patient that loses their appetite and refuses to eat...in this case, the judge forbade any attempts at oral nutrition after the gastrostomy tube was removed.

This case goes beyond passively allowing someone to die, moving directly to active euthanasia or assisted-suicide or murder...take your pick.

I would understand if the caretakers became passive in treating some life-threatening illness Terri might contract. I would understand removing her from a 'life-support' system. I would maybe even understand if they removed her gastrostomy tube and then allowed attempts at oral nutrition. But they have not done any of these things.

They sentenced her to death with no ability to live, even if she wanted to.

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

If it will make the libs stand up and do what is right, I'll put panties on my head.

Maybe all of the protesters outside the hospice should put panties on their heads while carrying their picket signs to make the left wake up. Unfortunately, I do not think the libs have the capacity to understand.

[Peach]

Florida has determined that tube feeding IS life support equipment.

And I'm telling you what was discussed on the floor of the House Sunday night. Previously I'd been saying this happened every day in America. They had doctors who said it happened thousands of times a day in America.

[lonevoice]

There was also an incident when she saw a Joan Quinlan movie.

The testimony I've read from MS, his brother and SIL involved a Karen Ann Quinlan movie. You could be right about MS claiming she made comments at another time. I don't recall.

Diane Meyers testified under oath that Terri said the exact opposite about the Quinlan situation, that Terri was angry when Quinlan was removed from life support and that Terri said, "Where there's life, there's hope" in regards to Quinlan. Meyers was a lifelong friend of Terri's, with nothing to gain financially by saying this. But, I think by now we've all read this stuff and each of us are going believe or disbelieve what we will.

[Peach]

He stopped treatment five years later. Get your facts right. The timeline has been posted on this web site a dozen times. The official timeline.

[sola_fide]

This case goes beyond passively allowing someone to die, moving directly to active euthanasia or assisted-suicide or murder...take your pick.

This really is the crux of the matter, and I agree with you. I think the problem in this particular case is that Florida law defines a feeding tube as "life support." I would encourage all states to revisit this definition if they have it in a statute.

[housewife101]

YOu think he's a monster

Yep, if for no other reason than he has been living with another woman for ten years and has two children with her.

[RightWhale]

It is done in terminal cases. TS wasn't terminal, although she is rapidly becoming so.

[Fudd Fan]

I hate to disagree with you about any aspect of this case, Peach (or about anything really), because I love your tagline. Well that's what makes a world I guess.

[Txsleuth]

I am not a Pat Buchanan fan, but last night on MSNBC he was going OFF about this---he is outraged that anyone, let alone legislators in congress would actually stand up in FAVOR of starving someone to death---using the usual examples that death row inmates and terrorists and animals are LEGALLY NOT allowed to be starved to death---

When Joe Scarborough's panel pointed out that this happens all of the time, and that this is just the most "infamous", he really went ballistic, saying that if that is the case, then the legislators REALLY DO NEED TO GET INVOLVED and have hearings to find out why our disabled, old, or whatever Americans are being treated this way, which wouldn't be allowed by the dems especially if it were a dog, al-Zarqawi, or Scott Peterson---

IN other words, just because "this is done all of the time" has gotten MORE wrath coming down on the legal system instead of LESS--

[First_Salute]

Bump.

[Dante3]

Michael Schiavo is a monster all right, judging from his own words and public acts. He would not allow even flowers into Terri's room - and his has pulled lots of other mean stunts on her; stopped rehabilitation even though he was awarded the money; refuses to divorce her even though he has been living with another woman for ten years and has two illegitimate children.

Michael's lies and contradictions make him sound like another Scott Peterson. And his frenzy to have Terri killed sure should send red flags. Did you know that the then Sheriff Rice refused to have Terri's case investigated even though there were suspicions of foul play? And to list his coverups would take pages.

Someone other posters here can give you a great deal more information. Imagine being married to someone such as Michael.

[concan]

"Then .. he was awarded $2.5 million - AND SUDDENLY HE REMEMBERED WHAT HIS WIFE WANTED"

What's more believable?

That Michael Schiavo wants to fight this out of his compassion for his wife who he has divorced a long time ago, only not legally?

Or that Michael Schiavo has some sort of alterior motive to fight the courts and let him kill his wife?

Michael Schiavo doesn't strike me as the super compassionate super human who would fight until his last penny to get his wife killed, allegedly out of her own will.

The judges that allowed the case to be ruled in his favor in the first place must have all been on crack.

What's the deal with Florida? Is it just too hot there to be able to think straight? Rush lives there most of the time and he can manage.

God, let some brains fall on Florida.

[Ethrane]

OK, like I said, if a feeding tube is 'life-support' treatment....why has the judge forbade anyone from even attempting to try and feed her orally?

Also, having watched the proceedings on the house floor from start to finish, I can tell you that most of the situations offered as comparisons are not that at all.

Last I checked, euthanasia was not legal on a federal level and it is not legal in FL.

Prohibiting ANY attempt at feeding this poor woman will produce certain death and is therefore euthanasia.

[workerbee]

I have a cousin with severe mental retardation and cerebral palsy. He's 32 years old now. He doesn't "talk or think". Not many people would look at him and say, yeah, I'd like to live that way, there's a "quality" life. My aunt has been feeding him all these years. When she goes, what do you propose? What I see in your logic is that we not only can, but should, starve him on the basis that he doesn't know that he's better off dead! In fact, if my aunt made that decision tomorrow, all the better.

He is a brain-damaged, handicapped individual, unable to feed himself or care for himself in any capacity, and he will never recover. Please, explain to me how he is different from Terri.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Yeah, he's evil, but so what? The ladies think he's dreamy.

[lonevoice]

This case goes beyond passively allowing someone to die, moving directly to active euthanasia or assisted-suicide or murder...take your pick.

It's hard to understand why there's any controvery about this at all. You probably already know that Dr. Ronald Cranford, one of the medical experts that Judge Greer found credible and unbiased, is on the board of the Euthanasia Society of America. He has advocated denying of spoon-feeding for the disabled. He has ties to the Hemlock Society, as does MS attorney George Felos.