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U.S. Constitution & Congress: Where’s their power to get involved in Schiavo case?
U.S. Constitution via House of Representatives website ^ | 3/21/05

Posted on 03/21/2005 12:05:39 PM PST by Wolfstar

United States Constitution

Article I. Section. 8.

Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitution; delegated; houseof; power; representatives; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; us
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To: Alberta's Child

It doesn't, so your point is moot.


521 posted on 03/23/2005 6:30:40 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: NCSteve

Yes, I was dodging the question. Because I shouldn't have to REWRITE what was already stated and said. Go through this thread again. You jumped right in the middle when the question was already answered, by a Constitutional scholar and best selling author.


522 posted on 03/23/2005 6:31:37 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Florida law (as do most States) allows the closest family members to make this decision for their loved ones; who would you rather have in charge of making that decision for YOUR spouse should you ever find yourself in this predicament?

The State?


523 posted on 03/23/2005 6:33:02 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: jwalsh07
"But more to the point MS can't "prove" that she did so we are left with hearsay testimony condemning a woman to death by dehydration. What a country."

You better than most should understand that this country is governed by laws, and the laws governing this case failed to foresee a situation like this.

The laws have to be rewritten, but they can't be ignored.

524 posted on 03/23/2005 6:35:30 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If I ever found myself in this predicament, my "closest family member" would not be a so-called "spouse" who had already moved on and married someone else for all intents and purposes.

The notion that these major medical decisions are being made by someone who has maintained the illusion of a spousal relationship for no other reason than to ensure that he can legally bring about his wife's death is utterly bizarre.

525 posted on 03/23/2005 6:51:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

So we're citing political media personalities now?

Here's one for you:

"For Congress and the president to then step in and try to override that by shifting the venue to a federal court was a legal travesty, a flagrant violation of federalism and the separation of powers. The federal judge who refused to reverse the Florida court was certainly true to the law."

-- Charles Krauthammer


526 posted on 03/23/2005 7:05:23 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: LauraleeBraswell

P.S. For Levin to cite the fourteenth amendment in defense of this action is so very typical of lawyer-speak and so very typical of the hypocrisy of the legal profession. The next time some activist judge uses the fourteenth amendment to push a liberal agenda, I feel sure he will be screaming "original intent" at the top of his lungs with the rest of the lemmings.

A pox on media lawyers.


527 posted on 03/23/2005 7:10:01 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve
Bork: Congress' Involvement in Schiavo Case Not Unique Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - With some Democrats in Congress worrying about the precedent setting potential of a new law aimed at sparing the life of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a former Supreme Court nominee told Cybercast News Service Monday that such congressional intervention was not so unusual.

Robert Bork, a Reagan administration nominee whom the U.S. Senate refused to confirm, called the federal legislation signed by President Bush early Monday morning something that "happens with some regularity."

excerpt from this article

528 posted on 03/23/2005 7:12:11 AM PST by jla
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To: Alberta's Child

Unfortunately, when dealing with the Courts, you can only address the legality of issues.

Michael Schiavo is still legally Terri's husband...to a certain extent, that's the fault of Florida laws that make it extremely difficult to divorce a mentally handicapped individual.


529 posted on 03/23/2005 7:14:03 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I live in a country that owes its very existence to a bunch of people who overthrew their government just because they thought the f#%&ing taxes were too high, so this high-minded, sanctimonous crap about the "rule of law" and the "legal system" doesn't mean a damn thing to me in a matter of life and death.


530 posted on 03/23/2005 7:25:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: jla

Am I the only one who sees a difference between an individual filing a writ of habeas corpus with the Federal courts and Congress intruding jursidiction of the Fedral courts on the states? Well, apparently at least Charles Krauthammer sees the difference as well.

I'll say this a different way: If you use the activist, liberal interpretation of the fourteenth amendment and combine it with Article III, you end up with a potent precedent that will come back to haunt us. In fact, at this point, given this action, we might as well disband the state courts now. What useful purpose do they serve? After that, how big a step is it to decide that the state legislatures are redundant and inefficient? Let's get rid of them as well.


531 posted on 03/23/2005 7:31:17 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: StoneColdGOP
Check out the latest Freeper poll question asking if Conservatives would approve of the president acting outsie the constitution:

Would you approve of the President taking extraordinary measures to secure Terri's safety in defiance of the courts, i.e., ordering Federal Marshalls to take her into protective custody - things that may not be considered currently within Presidential powers? Or, maybe purposely defying federal and state judges rulings doing other preemptive actions to help?

The majority chillingly said yes. This from Conservatives....stunning and scary.

532 posted on 03/23/2005 7:34:45 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: NCSteve


NCSteve:

42 Democrats as well as the Republicans voted yes. And of all the arguements, NOT ONE was whether or not this is constitutional.

I'm not going to argue back and forth. All the information is here on this thread.


533 posted on 03/23/2005 9:03:25 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: NCSteve; jla
It's no use arguing with him.

NCSteve- This is the last time I will say this to you, Congress has jurisdiction over the state courts. It is in the constitution. Reread the thread.

Also, are we forgetting that this is a woman's life. No judge has a right to end her life. We are all entitled to life. Starvation is a painful and cruel death.

You aren't reading the constitution to begin with. It outlaws cruel and unusual punishment. Terri is being punished.

No judge or man or government has a case to take our god given right to life away.
534 posted on 03/23/2005 9:07:48 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Alberta's Child
""I live in a country that owes its very existence to a bunch of people who overthrew their government just because they thought the f#%&ing taxes were too high, so this high-minded, sanctimonous crap about the "rule of law" and the "legal system" doesn't mean a damn thing to me in a matter of life and death.""

What left wing liberal crap have you been reading?! Read the Declaration of Independence. Read the grievances. We had a revolution because King George was a Despotic ruler. Before the Declaration of Independence it was thought that people existed for government! Rights? People didn't have rights! It was put up or shut up.

Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence said NO! That the government existed for the people! That these rights were GOD GIVEN!

Here is a link to the Declaration of Independence. Read the grievances.
535 posted on 03/23/2005 9:22:42 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Destro

""""""""Check out the latest Freeper poll question asking if Conservatives would approve of the president acting outsie the constitution:

Would you approve of the President taking extraordinary measures to secure Terri's safety in defiance of the courts, i.e., ordering Federal Marshalls to take her into protective custody - things that may not be considered currently within Presidential powers? Or, maybe purposely defying federal and state judges rulings doing other preemptive actions to help?

The majority chillingly said yes. This from Conservatives....stunning and scary.""""""""


What about the fact that a judge has acted outside the constitution?! Sentencing a disabled woman to death by starvation! How many clauses ban that!


If I was in florida and I could, I would walk into Yerri's room myself and insert her feeding tube myself. I swear. I would give her an icechip and be arrested.


536 posted on 03/23/2005 9:25:43 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez


""Michael Schiavo is still legally Terri's husband...to a certain extent""

1- Polygomy is illegal. He has a common law wife.


537 posted on 03/23/2005 9:27:10 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
What you said is garbage. She has been ruled to be in a PVS - that is not disabled. Being classified in a PSV allows - under state law - for the removial life support (yes feeding tube is a form of life support) if a court agrees with the diagnosis. That you accept the lies about the Terri case and call yourself a Conservative (what about state's rights? Marriage rights?) is scary in and of itself.

The only one claiming she can be rehabilitated is the parent's doctor who is a quack and a fraud. He claims he was nominated for the Nobel prize - he wasn't he was suggested for the prize by his own congressman - only the Nobel approved list of people an nominate a person and the same doctor was fined by the board for bad medical practices.

You have been frauded and hoaxed by people playing to your heartstrings. That manipulation is exactly what demogogues do and that so many conservatives have fallen for it means its near the twilight for the republic.

538 posted on 03/23/2005 9:37:28 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
This from Conservatives....stunning and scary.

No, they aren't really conservatives. They're religious crusaders who've glomed onto an issue to make it theirs. They operate under the guise of "conservatives" when it suits them.

539 posted on 03/23/2005 9:41:13 AM PST by StoneColdGOP ("What does Marsellus Wallace look like?")
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To: StoneColdGOP
Even scarier because they just invaded the conservative body like a virus and there is no cure. State's Rights - smaller govt - separation of powers - what have I seen? These fakers advocate the opposite of all these cherished ideals. The republic is dead.
540 posted on 03/23/2005 9:59:35 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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