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Life support battle winds down, patient transferred to San Antonio hospital
KHOU ^ | 3.20.05

Posted on 03/21/2005 12:23:45 AM PST by ambrose

Life support battle winds down, patient transferred to San Antonio hospital

06:37 PM CST on Sunday, March 20, 2005

By Amy Tortolani / 11 News

A man who had been on a respirator at St. Luke's Hospital arrived at a new facility Sunday in San Antonio. While the life support battle appears to be winding down, this situation could eventually involve lawmakers.

Watching the ambulance pull away from St. Luke's Hospital with Spiro Nikolouzos in it was not only a victory for his family, but another chance at life.

"I am so happy that this happened that he is out of here," said Janette Nikolouzos, patient's wife.

Spiro Nikolouzos has been an invalid since 2001 and complications last month left him unable to breathe on his own.

St. Luke' Hospital had planned to take the 68-year-old man off life support.

"This has never been an issue about St. Luke's or anyone that works at St. Luke's wanting to take this man off life support," said Dr. David Pate, St. Luke's. "It's been about what's best for him and should we be forced to continue providing care to someone that we think is futile and we think may be hurting them and ultimately, will make no impact on the quality of life."

Mrs. Nikolouzos fought to keep her husband alive and took St. Luke's to court.

After many extensions and stays, but before a final decision was ever reached, the family found a facility in San Antonio to care for their loved one.

"Free at last free at last. You didn't get to kill him," said Janette Nikolouzos.

But it's not the end of this life support case. Mrs. Nikolouzos is ready to take on Texas lawmakers who have given hospitals the right to remove patients from life support after giving 10 days notice, unless there is clear evidence another facility can provide care.

"They are out of control to make a law like this, it's shameful," said Janette Nikolouzos. "The way I feel for them giving so much power to the doctors and the hospitals they should bury their heads in the sand like an ostrich. It's disgraceful for this state.

Family members said while they won this battle, they admit the father and husband they knew will never fully recover. But at least now, they say, there's a chance.

There is supposed to be another court hearing on Wednesday, but the family's attorney said there is a conference call scheduled with the judge Monday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; socialism
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To: ambrose
how is it that people who claim to believe in God and an afterlife behave as if this flesh and bones existence on Earth is all that there is?

BTT ambrose. Thank you. I have been wondering the exact same thing.

41 posted on 03/21/2005 1:16:17 AM PST by Neets
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To: ClancyJ
Mrs. Nikolouzos is ready to take on Texas lawmakers who have given hospitals the right to remove patients from life support after giving 10 days notice, unless there is clear evidence another facility can provide care.

She won't have far to look; 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

42 posted on 03/21/2005 1:26:12 AM PST by Howlin
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To: sinkspur
To think in my life time I have seen the Democrat Party brought to the brink of obsolescence, and since nature abhors a vacuum seen the Religious Right of the Republican Party turned into Democrats, forcing legislative action to do what the state judiciary would not.

Disgusting.
43 posted on 03/21/2005 1:28:34 AM PST by MKM1960
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To: ambrose

I heard that it was then Governor Bush that signed that bill into law. I head it in the floor debates and on Larry Kings show tonight.


44 posted on 03/21/2005 1:33:03 AM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: clee1

Ventilator and feeding tube are entirely different to me. I think each case is different and should be dealt with individually. Coma and brain-dead are different too.


45 posted on 03/21/2005 2:34:58 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud
Ventilator and feeding tube are entirely different

Exactly right GOP. Having to run a persons autonomic functions for them counts as "heroic means" - we really are not morally bound to carry out heroic means for people who are not getting any better (who are not expected to ever regain use of their autonomic functions.

In the Schiavo case autonomic functions are not the issue. Someone is denying her food and water.

46 posted on 03/21/2005 3:01:34 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: clee1
Milk the insurance policy, pull the plug.

Nothing new here, folks...Move along please...

47 posted on 03/21/2005 3:11:15 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: sinkspur
Get over here. We need a Spiro Nikolouzas bill!!

Delay? Delay? Where are you Mr. Delay? Your services are needed! /s

48 posted on 03/21/2005 3:22:43 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: clee1
Here's the "slippery slope" the pro-Terri people have been worried about.

The "slippery slope" they've been worried about is Michael Schiavo, his lawyer, and the judge. They aint worried about anything else.

49 posted on 03/21/2005 3:26:46 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: Howlin; sinkspur
She won't have far to look; 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Put the White House phone number on the speed dial button labeled "Ambulance"

50 posted on 03/21/2005 3:28:46 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: MKM1960

"To think in my life time I have seen the Democrat Party brought to the brink of obsolescence, and since nature abhors a vacuum seen the Religious Right of the Republican Party turned into Democrats, forcing legislative action to do what the state judiciary would not.

Disgusting."


Yes those hayseed hick Christians mucking it up for the moderate nobles.


51 posted on 03/21/2005 3:29:05 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: clee1
There has to be a line somewhere. The doctors would have been better off NOT putting this man on a ventilator in the first place.

Exactly. He's not getting any nourishment with a ventilator tube down his throat.

52 posted on 03/21/2005 3:35:29 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: Qwinn

You're putting your eggs all in one basket and your faith entirely on a Liberal judge? Strange.


53 posted on 03/21/2005 3:39:38 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: ambrose

I am very pro-Terri's right to live. She is in no obvious pain and may be able to feel pleasure.

This man is simply dying slowly, and, with those ulcers to the bone, very painfully. He should be allowed to go peacefully.

Modern medicine can keep a body alive long past the time there is a person in there.


54 posted on 03/21/2005 3:51:04 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.
This man is simply dying slowly, and, with those ulcers to the bone, very painfully. He should be allowed to go peacefully.

His family says "no." Why shouldn't they get the same consideration that the Schindlers got?

55 posted on 03/21/2005 3:56:13 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: clee1
The DOCTOR gets to decide whether you live or die?

Yes, the doctor should be able to decide whether he wants to treat someone or not. Doctors aren't slaves, at least not yet.

56 posted on 03/21/2005 3:56:45 AM PST by Sandy
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To: clee1

Even if the family is paying he is using a hospital bed and facilities, so it is not an argument whether it is the family or insurance putting out the dollars.

The great national debate on the appropriate use of certain medical technology has now begun. At what point is it wrong to keep a body alive? What level of brain function? What levels of intractable pain in a deteriorating body? What levels of use of public funds?

It's not going t be pretty.


57 posted on 03/21/2005 3:57:50 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: clee1

This is also WHY the paper chose to print this.

They obviously prefer death.


58 posted on 03/21/2005 3:57:59 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: ambrose

If people want artificial life support at enormous cost, set up a private foundation and pay for it with private money.

There are enormous costs involved, and many belief systems think artificial life support is immoral.


59 posted on 03/21/2005 3:59:36 AM PST by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

"You're putting your eggs all in one basket and your faith entirely on a Liberal judge? Strange."

Huh? Was this directed to me? If so, I can't see how you come to this conclusion at all.

Qwinn


60 posted on 03/21/2005 4:05:09 AM PST by Qwinn
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