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French Bitter Over Wine Study
The Observer [UK] ^ | March 20, 2005 | Jamie Doward

Posted on 03/20/2005 10:22:55 AM PST by quidnunc

Not since Agincourt has there been such a threat to French culture from across La Manche. A British institution will this week rubbish France's perennial claim that its unique soil and climatic conditions are responsible for producing some of the world's finest wines.

In a move that is likely to send tremors from Burgundy to Bordeaux, two economists conclude that environmental conditions — or what France's oenophiles lovingly refer to as 'terroir' — is not important when it comes to producing memorable wine.

Olivier Gergaud, of Université de Reims Champagne, and Victor Ginsburgh of the European Centre for Advanced Research in Economics and Statistics (ECARES) and the Université Libre de Bruxelles, will present a paper at the Royal Economic Society annual conference in Nottingham based on exhaustive analysis of every aspect of the wine-producing process in one of France's most renowned regions of viniculture, Haut-Médoc.

The academics compared environmental conditions and wine-making techniques across 100 vineyards, including those owned by such revered wineries as Mouton-Rothschild, Latour, Lafite-Rothschild and Margaux, with the prices the vintages fetch at market.

Their findings will not make pleasant reading for those who argue truly great wine is a result of mystical synergies between the earth and the vine.

'Wine-making has become so sophisticated that it can completely shade the effect of terroir, and vines can be grown in almost any place, as long as the weather permits, and the right combination of vines is made,' the pair state before concluding with the chilling observation: 'The French terroir legend obviously does not hold; at least in the Haut-Médoc region.'

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: frenchwine; health; trade; wine
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1 posted on 03/20/2005 10:22:56 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Oh no!! The earth will quit revolving!! We are doomed. French wine is no better than Kalifornia/Portugese/Chile/Oregon/Australian/etc . . . . . wines. This is hugh!! I am series.


2 posted on 03/20/2005 10:31:04 AM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: quidnunc

"Millions for defense, but not a drop from France!"
I do very nicely, thank you, with wines from the USA, South America, Australia & Italy. And I will never again buy anything from Vichy.


3 posted on 03/20/2005 10:31:52 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: BipolarBob

LOL, love your tagline!


4 posted on 03/20/2005 10:32:38 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: quidnunc
I have not purchased French wine since Charles De Gaul visited Canada in 1968 and proclaimed, "Viva la Quebec!".
5 posted on 03/20/2005 10:37:41 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: quidnunc
which he calls "quintessence of my balls"

The French might want to consider poor marketing as another reason their wine sales have been declining. When I drink wine, I do NOT want to think about a Frenchman's balls. Or ever, for that matter.

6 posted on 03/20/2005 10:40:44 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: quidnunc

7 posted on 03/20/2005 10:42:19 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: quidnunc
Then why aren't wines produced in other parts of the world by owners of great French vinyards nearly as good as the originals?

It would seem that Latour or Lafitte or Montrose, for instance, could produce enough Premier Grand Cru quality wine in their foreign vinyards to drive everyone else in the world out of business if this were true.

SO9

8 posted on 03/20/2005 10:44:59 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: quidnunc

In my experience, really good French wine is better than any other wine. But I'd say it is the result of tradition, expertise, and patience more than anything else. You could make as good wine somewhere else if you had the expertise, the patience, and the willingness to ruthlessly cull and market under another label everything but the best.


9 posted on 03/20/2005 10:46:00 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tortoise
I do NOT want to think about a Frenchman's balls.

'As a result, producers are forced to sell their wine as low grade 'vin de pays', while Didier Daguenau, who produces outstanding Pouilly-Fumé wines, obtained an AOC label for his worst production, made with bad quality grapes, and which he calls "Quintessence of my Balls".'

Being French, the consumers probably can't read the label!

10 posted on 03/20/2005 10:50:10 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: BipolarBob

This truly marks the beginning of the end of France's slide into obscurity. The only thing they had left of their national pride was their wine industry. Now that it is becoming common knowledge that there are other countries' wines that are competitive there will truly be no reason for there to be a France. Now if someone else could produce a good Cognac, I would never consume another French product. Socialist countries have a knack for destroying the goose that lays the golden egg. Just look at the Cuban cigar industry. There are many cigars that retouinely receive higher ratings that are produced outside Cuba.


11 posted on 03/20/2005 10:53:38 AM PST by appeal2
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To: Cicero

Do you listen to the Tom Leykis show on Sunday afternoons?


12 posted on 03/20/2005 10:55:18 AM PST by Joey Silvera
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To: quidnunc

For the money, California is now making much better wine then France. I don't say that just because I don't like France. The wine being produced in the United States is just that damn good. You can get a very good bottle of California wine for less than $15 - the type of wine even the snobs can enjoy. On the other hand, anything from France under $15 is usually something even a rube like me would pour down the sink in disgust. France does make some good wine but for the same money, you can get at least twice as much California wine that is just as good. For me, it's a no-brainer.


13 posted on 03/20/2005 10:55:39 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: appeal2

You know, I've wondered the same thing myself. A good smooth after dinner cognac. Any entrepreneurs out there? A career awaits the industrious.


14 posted on 03/20/2005 10:56:59 AM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: quidnunc
It will not be long before the EU insists that the French Appellation d'Origine Contrôllée is an unfair restriction on trade, and that it should be, for example, permissable to label sparkling wine from anywhere in the EU as champagne. By the time that happens, it will be too late for the poor little Froggies. The water will already be boiling...
15 posted on 03/20/2005 10:58:23 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: quidnunc
I hope this doesn't mean that I won't still be able to buy a $4 bottle of French wine for $36!

There is just one recourse left to the French in response to this terrible news; VOTE AGAINST THE EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION! It will be the ONLY way to reestablish the greatness of FRANCE!!!

16 posted on 03/20/2005 10:59:17 AM PST by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: SamAdams76

And some of the good Aussie wines are even less expensive than California.

A few years ago I had a wine from Romania that had to have been about the best wine I had ever tasted..........I've never been able to find it again, and as I am typing this the name of it has totally escaped me. (that's embarrassing considering I haven't been drinking)


17 posted on 03/20/2005 11:04:34 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: appeal2
There are many cigars that retouinely receive higher ratings that are produced outside Cuba.

the Dominican Republic comes to mind!!!

18 posted on 03/20/2005 11:06:06 AM PST by Gabz (Wanna join my tag team?)
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To: SamAdams76
I'm no wine expert, but I do enjoy an occasional glass of good wine..

Every need can be met by Kalifornicate wine --- but there are many others that are extraordinarily good..

Australian wine and wine from Chili are really coming on in a big way....
Italian table wines are no slouch...

Lately -- EVERYTHING French produces a sour after taste, and a feeling of betrayal....

Semper Fi
19 posted on 03/20/2005 11:10:01 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: quidnunc

Glad to see it in print. I don't buy french wine/cheese, etc. and on this board I kow I don't have to explain why. I agree that California, Chile, Italy and the Aussies all make excellent wines at good prices.

We need a wine forum here or a wine ping list. A way to pass on our latest finds.


20 posted on 03/20/2005 11:28:49 AM PST by Roses0508
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