Bush’s triumph conceals the great conservative crack-up

Times on Line (England) ^ | 3/19/05 | Andrew Sullivan

[Mobile Vulgus]

It should be the best of times for American conservatism. Republican majorities in the House and Senate, a re-elected Republican president, an increasing number of Republican governors and a rightwards tilt in the judiciary. While the British Tories and German Christian Democrats flounder, America’s right seems to flourish.

Well, that’s the cover story. Beneath the surface, however, American conservatism is in increasing trouble. The Republican coalition, always fragile, now depends as much on the haplessness of the Democrats as on its own internal logic. On foreign and domestic policy alike the American right is splintering. With no obvious successor to George W Bush that splintering will deepen....

[Mobile Vulgus]

Yeah. This guy WISHES the conservative movement were dead before it got started!

What he sees is the same kind of backbiting and infighting that EVERY party has. But there is a difference between conservatives and liberals, granted.

Conservatives WILL often torpedo themselves and force themselves into a losing situation because of principle. Since the left really HAS no principle but winning, they band together a tad easier. So, Sullivan has a small point in his favor in his article.

But what Sullivan is not taking into account is the wide coalition of everyday Americans that are leaning more and more Republican who will be able to see past the far right ideologues. The folks will keep following their internet info sources, their talk radio and Fox news sources and stay the line IF the politicos don’t fall totally apart.

This is where we need to ship extremist righties like Pat Buchanan and his sclerotic pre WWI isolationist foolishness off to nowhere land! If we are to win we need to keep racists like Buchanan as the lone voice crying in the wilderness.

What we DO need is more conservatives elected to Congress so that they can finally get the GOP back on track to fiscal responsibility. Once we get back on that track we will be unable to lose even with guys like Buchanan out there.

[silent_jonny]

I smell something ...

[muawiyah]

Andy is of the opinion that there are vast numbers of Conservative homosexuals turning away from the Republican party.

[Free Vulcan]

Another English propaganda newspaper doing psyops.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Ha, ha. There are only about 6% of the entire population that ARE homosexual (maybe even LESS). What makes him think that only a portion of that small number is a massive number of gays leaving the Party??

[drt1]

What kind of crap faux cheerleading is this? Please dispense with your Pep Talk until you know what you are talking about.

[peyton randolph]

Andrew Sullivan's expertise is b#tt crack. Ever since Bush opposed gay marriage, Randy Andy has been writing columns using his little head to do the thinking.

[keithtoo]

Andy's thinking with his weenie again.

So snippy.

[freeangel]

"since the left has no principle but winning"

And they didn't do that very well, did they?

[sanchez810]

The conservative parties of other countries are not the equivalent of the the conservative movement in america.

[Mobile Vulgus]

I take it you are one of Buchannan's followers? If so, I pity you. He does have some good ideas, of course, but he is mostly a racist bent on isolationism. I am sure that will make some of you mad at me, but it is true none-the-less.

But, even so, I would vote Bucnanan over ANY Demosocialist!!

[Hornet19]

You are...a dolt. Love the smell of Ozone in the morning.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Sanchez, you are 100% right. Our conservative movement is a modern, progressive one, not a moribund backwards one bent on racist policy (which is why Buchanan is a loser here).

[af_vet_1981]

[Editor's note: The source document that Sullivan plagiarized]

Well, that’s the cover story. Beneath the surface, however, American patriotism is in increasing trouble. The Patriot coalition, always fragile, now depends as much on the haplessness of the Tories as on its own internal logic. On foreign and domestic policy alike the American Republic is splintering. With no obvious successor to George Washington that splintering will deepen....

[familyop]

Yeah, well, the same London paper published the following pack of neo-Nazi lies to support the decades-long British romantic affair with things Arabic.

Authors in the Frontline: Daniel Day-Lewis
Inside scarred minds
March 20, 2005
The Sunday Times Magazine
(pro-terrorist propaganda behind the link)

Those Brits can't seem to read a map to see where all the "Palestinians" are exiled from, though, or remember how their British forefathers kept Jews out of Israel while letting Muslims flood in during their "Mandate" decades. ...or even to acknowledge the fact that many of those poor "Palestinian" kids are wounded by the same "Palestinians" who feed the lies to them.

[drt1]

You have no idea what I am and who I support (Nice try on Buchanan - Not) and for that, I pity you. Why don't you simply let the people read this trash article without your pompous editorializing.

[Mobile Vulgus]

Sanchez, you are 100% right. Our conservative movement is a modern, progressive one, not a moribund backwards one bent on racist policy (which is why Buchanan is a loser here).

[byteback]

I'm so sick of the "Religous Right owns the party" line. Come to California where I'm at and take a look around. There is a coalition that is working and we see it on FR on a daily basis. There is spirited debate but in the end unless the Democrat is Zell Miller we're voting Republican.

[Mobile Vulgus]

...and we could do with less of you pointless, childish bickering that does little but waste band width. Thanks for trying to prove Sullivan right, though.

[dead]

He's not wrong about Bush's drunken sailor spending on the home front. That HAS to be reigned in and reversed.

He's nuts on the foreign policy end however. The Buchananites do not have any sizable allies in their isolationist dreams.

Spreading democracy will spread freedom which will build a more peaceful world. That is in America's interest and is a worthy goal for any conservative president. The Buchananites are wrong, which is not unusual.