Posted on 03/15/2005 4:51:28 PM PST by peeseispossible
I post on several forums and avidly and sternly denounce the war crimes of the Bush Administration. I received an email yesterday saying I better watch it as the Bush Administration is arresting those critical of them under the Patriot Act stating they are supporting terrorism. I was told I could be detained indefinitely without arraignment.
Is this true? What has this country come to.
I have not stated there have been any. What I stated was that there is a possibility the powers given to the government under this Act could be used in ways that were not originally intended.
Absolutely no one protested until we expanded the law to cover Islamo Fascist that want to kill us all.
Islamo Facists how original
Now we're all deeply concerned.
Yes, 'we' are. And that concern has clouded the judgement of conservatives over the issue of just how much power 'we' are willing to give to the national government to protect us.
And by the way, the Patriot Act was passed with almost universal support from both political parties.
Ah, but in the 1790s there was a glaring difference between the parties. Today, it is just two facets of the same stone. Not much difference at all. But enough power to be used if a situation ever arose that free speech unpopular to the national government and its supporters on both sides of the supposed aisle were made to feel at political risk by said speech. What does this do to the First Amendment as one of the original intents of that Amendment was for political dissent against said government
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Don't be home tomorrow evening, I have inside information that they are coming for you then.
This "poster" says they believe an email that says Bush admin is arresting people who post things derrogatory about the President. This "poster" thinks the President has committed war crimes.
I see no salient points in their post.
Name one person who has been arrested for criticizing President Bush! I criticize him on immigration all of the time on this forum and I haven't been arrested.
The second grade were the happiest three years of his life.
We won..were in charge,,so get over it.
You idiot
ROFLMAO
I am not claiming to have coined the term "Islamo Fascist", that doesn't change the fact that it is an accurate description.
While I agree there isn't that much difference between the two political parties, my point was, that you couldn't claim the "patriot act" was something invented by the opposition, then both parties created it.
What point you're making about the Patriot Act has to do with some perceived threat to the First Amendment, I'm not clear on.
And by the way, you dodged my main point. The same powers that the patriot act grants to law enforcement with regard to terrorist, have been authorized for years in organized crime cases. No one thought these police powers were a threat, when the police were using them against Columbian Drug Dealers and Mafia Bosses, but ease drop on one Islamic extremist and the ACLU is screaming "Big Brother" and the Libertarians are running around quoting George Orwell.
If you can actually articulate with specificity, how the patriot act threatens your freedom or constitutional rights, please do explain. Otherwise, I've got news from you, the sky is not falling, and men in black aren't coming to get you.
I work for Homeland security and I'm watching you, bro. Didn't you know Bush signed an EO making illegal for anyone to disagree with him?
Such intelligence retort. And BTW you missed an apostrophe
Who said those original powers were Constitutional?
If you can actually articulate with specificity, how the patriot act threatens your freedom or constitutional rights, please do explain. Otherwise, I've got news from you, the sky is not falling, and men in black aren't coming to get you.
Wow, question the Constitutionality of a current action and you get labeled fringe. I wonder what some 'conservatives' here would have thought of Jefferson
. . .raise this to more than just an opinion!
'Political Correctness' IS anti-free speech; it IS political, social and a cultural tyranny. PC is designed to change the way people 'think'; by changing the way people 'speak'.
Phillip Atkinson on Political Correctness; quoting Russian survivor of the 'Red Terror' and the war socialism it invoked; and modeled after the German's nazism:
[The need to be politically correct dominated all conversation and behaviour, as failure meant drastic penalty. Uncertainty and fear pervaded everything, nobody could be sure that an official request to visit Party headquarters meant imprisonment, torture, death, public reward or nothing important. ]
Again, you miss the point. Those claiming that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional never complained when those same powers were used for years and years, and only now, that those powers have been extended to terrorist, is the Constitution threatened. If these powers were unconstitutional for the last twenty years, are you just now noticing it.
By the way which article or articles of the Constitution have been violated. I've noticed those screaming the loudest about the Patriot Act "shreading the constitution" can't tell you exactly how the constitution is being violated.
If it were up to me, the government would be 1/2 as big tomorow, but that doesn't change the fact, that when you claim the government is a looming threat to your liberty and yet can't articulate exactly what the threat is, you do risk being perceived as paranoid.
If you can't explain clearly how the Patriot Act violates the Constitution or describe exactly how it threatens your civil liberties, then you may want to rethink your position.
When the act was first proposed, I was one of those people whose knee jerk reaction was to oppose it. However, after I actually read it most of my preconceived notions went up in smoke. You might want to read it yourself.
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