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ER forced to divert patients - (Canada)
LONDON FREE PRESS ^ | MARCH 14, 2005 | JOHN MINER

Posted on 03/15/2005 2:28:21 PM PST by CHARLITE

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I can't help but remember that this is what would have resulted in the U.S. if HillaryCare had ever become a reality. All we have to do is to look north to Canada, to see what socialized medicine does to a society, both its health care standards and its economy.

Here is a quote I received from a Canadian health care worker who must remain anonymous, for fear of being fired from her job.

"............ the general train of thought seems to be "let the yanks pay for it, why should we, after all, we are the ones who support peace, and they are warmongers. God's truth. I work in the health care industry, and I can assure you that it's all smoke and mirrors. I left work last Friday for the weekend, and when I returned on Monday, there were patients still lying on stretchers in the hallway in emerg. waiting for a bed, the waiting rooms are constantly full of people who clamour to be seen by a Doctor, and the walk-in clinics can't keep up with the demands to see patients. And what do you think their mantra is? "Well, at least we are not like the Americans"!!! ( What, Successful?) All this, and I pay combined taxes of %61 for the privilage of living in this socialist paradise. Enough! I will retire in four years, and the next day I will move back to Europe, as I do not wish to end my days on this frozen ice cube, supporting a system that is corrupt from the top to the bottom."

1 posted on 03/15/2005 2:28:30 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE; Admin Moderator

I think the article means London, Ontario...


2 posted on 03/15/2005 2:29:47 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

And the dims think this would be better than what we have now??????????????

More proof they are idiots


3 posted on 03/15/2005 2:32:21 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: CHARLITE
Yeah, but it's free.
4 posted on 03/15/2005 2:36:34 PM PST by rudypoot
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To: CHARLITE

This just Canada, nothing to do with England.


5 posted on 03/15/2005 2:39:41 PM PST by expatpat
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To: CHARLITE
England or Canada, it's the same system and the worst is yet to come.
6 posted on 03/15/2005 2:50:59 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: rudypoot
Yeah, but it's free.

If health care is "free" under a socialist system, why isn't food free? Why can't I pay a little more in taxes and just walk into the supermarket and grab all the food I want? Surely eating is just as important as health care, and you have just as much (if not more) a right to "quality food" as you do "quality health care"?

7 posted on 03/15/2005 2:55:20 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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The only thing I have to counter that - and believe me, the Canadian system is by no means perfect - but at least our tax money pays for my health care whereas your tax money pays for illegal immigrants' health care.

And, as a result, you have hospitals shutting down because they're overrun with illegals wanting free care.

So, which is the better system? Neither one's perfect, by any means.
8 posted on 03/15/2005 3:10:19 PM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: randog

Please,please erase this post before a liberal or NDP party member reads it and makes it a new national priority,they have just started with national institutional daycare.They don't need anymore "loonie" ideas.


9 posted on 03/15/2005 3:12:01 PM PST by northernlightsII
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If you think it's "free," you should re-read what my Canadian friend says about her 61% tax liability per year to support this "free" health gimmick!

........and you're right. It's from and about London, Ontario. However, from what I have read, the system in England is so similar that all those who can afford private care go to private hospitals which are very expensive. So, they are paying a tremendous % of their income to the government, then paying huge medical costs to private, "for profit" hospitals when they are sick or injured.

10 posted on 03/15/2005 3:17:24 PM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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....If you think it's "free," you should re-read what my Canadian friend says about her 61% tax liability per year to support this "free" health gimmick! ........and you're right. It's from and about London, Ontario.

......NOT to worry,......Send them to the Vet.

/U.N. Animals

/British State Religion of Darwinist Evolution Re-incarnation Myth

/Bow Wow.....Hee HaW, Hee Haw,.....British Colonies about to accept el-Sharia 'health-care',.....Mad Hatter Style?

11 posted on 03/15/2005 3:43:48 PM PST by maestro
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To: CHARLITE
This probably has more to do with flu season and trauma injuries common to this protracted winter than with Canadian vs. US health care.

ER diverts are a weekly occurrence somewhere in midstate PA this time of the year. A hefty flu season coupled with an ice storm and the wrecks and falls which follow closes the ER's every time.
12 posted on 03/15/2005 3:50:55 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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"The shutdown occurred at the South Street emergency room of the London Health Sciences Centre last Monday."

I'm not sure but this could be what was once Victoria Hospital . If it is , it's the crappy under funded socialistic old hospital that once saved my 5 year olds life when he was stricken with epiglotitis . On a Saturday night , of all nights of the week , I was in that ER room . And I saw a miracle happen .

Critics can say what they want . I say it's not perfect, no health system is , but 25 years ago it saved my kid's life and paying for his 10 day recovery stay was not an issue . He got the best care. Last year the same system birthed his daughter . And she got the best care.

And nuts to anyone who says otherwise .

13 posted on 03/15/2005 4:19:49 PM PST by Snowyman
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I will retire in four years, and the next day I will move back to Europe

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

14 posted on 03/15/2005 6:16:58 PM PST by lowbridge
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15 posted on 03/15/2005 8:43:04 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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the system in England is so similar that all those who can afford private care go to private hospitals which are very expensive.

Private facilities don't exists in Canada for non elective procedures. The psychology of Canadians is that health care must be universally available to everyone with no exceptions made based on income. In Canada, it is thought of as unfair if you can cut in line by paying extra for private care. Everybody must be subjected to the same abyssmal system. No exceptions for the Rich!! What makes them better than everyone else. I kid you not, this is the thinking of the vast majority of Canadians - until they have to go to the hospital.

16 posted on 03/16/2005 8:59:15 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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And my father died waiting for care in Windsor, and my grandmother in Thunder Bay suffered 3 years in a hospital bed after a stroke while waiting for a nursing home and rehabilitative therapy that never came. My mom who has MS had to drive to a specialist in London 100 miles away becasue that was the nearest one to the major industrial city where we lived. If people can afford it, they go to Detroit to get care rather than waiting a year for a referral to a doctor because they were just diagnosed with cancer. Don't get me started on the desperate, third world conditions of health care in Canada. Southeast asia handled the SARS outbreak better than Canada did! The incompetence of socialized care is highlighted by every stategic decision regarding the systems across the Canadian provinces. The system is not free, either, because you pay out the nose in the form of oppressive taxes at all level for this disgusting system they call health care. I pity the friends and family I left when I emmigrated to the States. At least here, I can see a doctor and get treatment. Heck, the metropolitan area around Detroit has more health care resources than the entire Province of Ontario!


17 posted on 03/16/2005 9:08:07 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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If people can afford it, they go to Detroit to get care rather than waiting a year for a referral to a doctor because they were just diagnosed with cancer.

And my father has survived both bowel and prostrate cancer. Both treated in London . The former in the Old Victoria and the latter at the cancer clinic at the New Vic . He has new eyes thanks to cataract treatment. Without it today he'd be blind . Both eyes done in less than 6 months . My neighbour waited almost 3 months for injections into his knee only to be told the knee was too damaged . He had it replaced three weeks later . And the SARS epidemic. My cousin's wife had a liver transplant right in the middle of it . At Grace hospital . The Grace hospital in Toronto. She is still with us and takes one day at a time. . My uncle just had a double hernia fixed. At the Shouldice Clinic . A private clinic in Toronto . Doing well . If I need a MRI I'll get it, there is a waiting list if you want one which is not the same as needing one. There are also private clinics . Several .I could go on too.

I've continually said it's not perfect , it never can be. And the government is on the cheap and the unions suck and there aren't enough doctors . And no it's not free but in the middle of a medical problem, it's damn nice to know you don't have to worry about paying for it by mortgaging your future .

18 posted on 03/16/2005 9:54:51 AM PST by Snowyman
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I worked at a very high profile hospital in Houston. You would be surprised at the high number of "royalty" from all countries in Europe, including Great Britan.

Princes, princess, queens, kings, dutchesses (?), earls etc.

All the time.
19 posted on 03/16/2005 10:08:01 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: rudypoot
Yeah, but it's free.

And worth every penny of it.

20 posted on 03/16/2005 10:10:47 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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