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Mildly Pro Choice?
Catholic Way ^ | 3/13/05 | Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 03/13/2005 12:11:42 PM PST by tcg

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To: tcg
I wish us all well.

" ... However, I know that if the Republicans go the way of Guliani, and other "pro-choice" folks, it will lose many of us ... "

Time will tell. I don't see that happening. (eternal optimist mode)

Should it occur, it will be the first time I will be happy I am and "elder" statesman, because it won't be only the fact that ... "it will lose many of us".

The country will become part and parcel of Europa. ;)




Parle vous Francais?

41 posted on 03/13/2005 1:49:14 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Mothers were not sent to jail before Roe v. Wade erupted like a bomb. Abortion doctors were occasionally sent to jail or lost their licenses to practice medicine.

There were relatively few abortions, and few abortion related deaths, contrary to the propaganda. Women were more careful not to get pregnant unless they were in a position to have the child. There were far fewer illegitimate births than there are now, even with abortion.

What you didn't have back then was unlimited unprotected sex.


42 posted on 03/13/2005 1:49:30 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: G.Mason

Condi has the stuff all right.

> I voted for Goldwater in 1963. ;)

My parents voted for him in 1964...


43 posted on 03/13/2005 1:59:13 PM PST by cloud8
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To: Keith in Iowa
What really scares the hell out of me is the contingent here that would rather see a "President Hillary"

Really? There are people here who would rather have Clinton as President instead of Rice if those were the choices? Who are they?

44 posted on 03/13/2005 2:01:03 PM PST by DemWatch
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To: G.Mason

Have you ever read an obituary for an aborted child?

Death comes to those who live.

Abortion denies life, a fact that can not be denied.

Allen / Bush III in '08
gpapa


45 posted on 03/13/2005 2:02:05 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: JLS
Mildly pro choice could mean anything:

I remember reading a long time back that she believed abortion was not murder, but felt roe vs wade should be overturned so states could decide if they wanted it or not, kind of like the reverse Cuomo view.

46 posted on 03/13/2005 2:08:15 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: billybudd
Yes, indeed, and it's also like mildly trying to avoid the issue.
47 posted on 03/13/2005 2:10:25 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: tcg
This is not a choice between right and wrong.
This is a choice between mild and wild.

If it makes you feel better to say you are in favor of the ideal solution, go ahead and do it. But in the end you have to make a choice, even not choosing is a choice to waste your vote.

If the mild loses to the wild because you chose to support a third party candidate who didn't have a chance and split the conservative vote, or chose to not vote at all, then you an in effect voting for the wild.
48 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:11 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: Godebert
I'd wager the Pro-Abortion, Pro-homosexual agenda gun-grabbing Giulliani would do even better.

If you wanted proof that Rudy was thinking of running for prez, see what his new views are on gays and guns.

He now claims he's for civil unions but against gay marriage, and regarding guns, he likens them to cars, with a get a "get a licience and you can get a gun" kind of view, he's backtracking so fast, its almost bizare.

49 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:52 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Just curious though--if the social conservatives voted for Bush because of this one issue, where has it gotten them? Abortion is as legal today as it was six years ago.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by riri
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To: riri

There was more abortions in the 2000-2004 period, then the 1996-2000 period. I guess its the thought that counts.


51 posted on 03/13/2005 2:17:22 PM PST by ran15
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To: gpapa
Allen / Bush III in '08

I'm assuming your referring to Jeb Bush, however, I doubt that he would like to be referred to as 3.

Since George W. Bush is his brother, he would (funny as it may sound) also qualify as number 2 from his father.

52 posted on 03/13/2005 2:18:07 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: riri

---"Just curious though--if the social conservatives voted for Bush because of this one issue, where has it gotten them? Abortion is as legal today as it was six years ago."---

Nothing, not even slight limitations on abortion, can or will hold up until there is an overturning of Roe vs. Wade by the Supreme Court. Those of us who do require a candidate to be pro-life know this. This is also why the Democrats are willing to lose seats, credibility, trash Senate tradition, and use any means necessary to prevent Bush from making judicial appointments.

What we've gotten from it is a candidate who will nominate pro-life judges. What is making things difficult is that there have been no Supreme Court openings yet for Bush to make a nomination, and it'll be a cold day in hell before a pro-choice justice steps down while a Republican is President.

Now it's up to the Senate to do their job.


53 posted on 03/13/2005 2:20:04 PM PST by TitansAFC (When will Kristen Breitweiser just declare her candidacy already?!?!?)
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To: oldbrowser

With all respect, you act as though this is a foregone conclusion. Of course it is not. I am making a choice now to support a different candidate. I have suggested Senator Santorum. He would be a great choice. The Codi v Hilary discussion is only the first trial balloon in a race that is years off.


54 posted on 03/13/2005 2:22:08 PM PST by tcg (TCG)
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To: ran15
Yeah, it's bizarre. I detest the idea of abortion as much as the next guy. And, my last concern is the mother's right to choose. But, damn we had a woman here in my city fall asleep in a WalMart parking lot with a crystal meth pipe in one hand and a ONE MONTH old baby in the back seat.

No one deserves to be born into that life.

55 posted on 03/13/2005 2:23:21 PM PST by riri
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To: Sonny M

I only meant it metaphorically of course.

Allen / Jeb or Jeb / Allen in '08 , take your pick

gpapa


56 posted on 03/13/2005 2:26:24 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: cloud8
"My parents voted for him in 1964..."

Probably the same election I voted for him, November 22, 1963.

Besides, children should be seen and not herded! ;)




You are right about Condi being right, stuff and all!

57 posted on 03/13/2005 2:30:31 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: gpapa
"Have you ever read an obituary for an aborted child? ... "

Sorry you missed my point.

I did not miss your's.

58 posted on 03/13/2005 2:33:03 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: G.Mason

I concede your point. I just prefer someone other than Condi Rice.

gpapa


59 posted on 03/13/2005 2:36:31 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: sevry; thoughtomator
the GOP will nominate a governor. Condi would first of all, I believe, have to either win statehouse, or get the VP spot on the GOP ticket to even consider a Presidential run.

the Presidency is not an entry-level elective position.

. . . and neither is it an old war horse's position - I believe I read that nobody has been elected president who did not first attain at least the vice presidency within 14 years of first election to statewide office as senator (or, almost always, governor).

We don't elect presidents because of who their daddy was or is - otherwise R. Prescott Reagan would be a serious contender if not a shoo-in for the Republican nomination. In fact we seldom - only twice out of the 43 men elected so far - elect the son of a president. But we should not decline to consider a well-qualified person because of who his daddy is, either. Or his brother, for that matter. And if you look at it that way, and ask who is

you find yourself questioning exactly who would be a better choice for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination than Jeb Bush.

60 posted on 03/13/2005 2:44:28 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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