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Mildly Pro Choice?
Catholic Way ^ | 3/13/05 | Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 03/13/2005 12:11:42 PM PST by tcg

Mildly Pro Choice? By: Keith A. Fournier © Third Millennium, LLC

On March 12, 2005 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was interviewed by the Washington Times. The interview has fueled the growing speculation that she may be entertaining a bid for the Presidency in 2008. Not because she acknowledged such an intention but simply because she refused to “rule it out”. The speculation has been fueled by a torrent of articles and is the continual banter of talk radio and blogs. It was begun by Dick Morris, the seemingly ever present political speculator.

The Washington D.C. chatter culture is spinning over a possible woman to woman match in 2008 for the Presidency of the United States.

In the blue corner is Senator Hillary Clinton who has been making all the moves that clearly signify her intention to run. She has also begun a bizarre effort to make herself sound as if she somehow sympathizes with the pro-life position while her rhetoric and record are unapologetically in favor of abortion on demand.

In the red corner is Secretary Rice who has captured the attention of many in both parties through her presence, her political savvy and her excellent communication skills. Otherwise clearly pro-life members of her own party seem willing to give her a pass on this issue for reasons I simply do not understand.

Oh, I know, we are repeatedly told that it is too early to speculate about the 2008 race. But is it? The horses are already lining up at the gate. The money is beginning to flow. The fact is that the race is already underway. That is why it is so vital that engaged pro-life people begin to work now to assure that the momentum toward building a culture of life continues. For millions of Americans this issue is not a “single issue” but rather the lens through which the entirety of policy and politics is viewed. The dignity of every human person, at every age and stage, from the first home of the whole human race, a mother’s womb, through and including the sanctuary of the death bed, is the polestar of every economic and public policy issue. While it is true that there are an array of vitally important issues that must also be considered, there is also a hierarchy of values to be applied in the political and policy arena. How one views our obligations to the ones who Mother Theresa rightly called the “poorest of the poor”, children in the womb who have no voice, speaks loudly of how one views the dignity of life itself. The race reveals a serious dearth of concern, in both major parties, for the right to life and the freedom to be born.

Much has been made about the fact that Secretary Rice was the daughter of a preacher, a Presbyterian minister. Yet, in this interview while explaining love for fashion, she made an interesting admission. She said that while her father was preparing for his sermons, she and her mother would shop. One wishes now that she had considered the content of the both the Bible and the unbroken Christian tradition concerning the inviolable dignity of every human person, more than the latest styles.

In the interview she, like Senator Clinton has on several occasions done recently, spoke of her "deep religious faith." Persons of faith must live a unity of life. Religious faith is not “private” in the sense of keeping its influence outside of our daily life. The truths of faith should inform everything that we do. When directly asked about abortion, Secretary Rice sounded very similar to the Senator from new York, saying that abortion should be “as rare a circumstance as possible," and adding "We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other….So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it."

It gets murkier. She spoke of pro-lifers as "the other side" and tried to carve herself a niche as being "in effect kind of libertarian on this issue." Then she used the phrase that I have chosen as the title of this article. She spoke of herself as a "mildly pro-choice" Republican. Let me be clear, she also said that she is “….a strong proponent of parental notification.” That is good. She referred to herself as “….a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion”, the procedure more akin to infanticide wherein a child is partially delivered so that just the head is accessible only to have his or her brains sucked out. That is simply not enough.

Abortion is the intentional execution of an innocent human person in the first home of the whole human race. Innocent human life must always be defended against this kind of aggression! The claim of being “mildly” pro-choice is like the claim of being a “little bit pregnant”. Every procured abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human person. For example, why do we say that a woman “lost her baby when she miscarries? Yet, in the case of a procured abortion, we call it “a choice” and a “right.” Or worse, why do we allow politicians to continually refer to it as a “difficult moral issue” as the Secretary did in this interview. Leaders need to lead. This issue is not difficult. It is absolutely clear. This issue is also not simply “religious” in the sense that only religious people feel a certain way about it. Rather, it concerns a fundamental human right. The child in the womb is a human person. Medical science has confirmed what our consciences have long known – what is affirmed by the Natural Law written on every human heart - abortion is killing the innocent.

Like most Americans, I would love to see a talented woman become our President. Perhaps it would finally put behind us a history of discrimination against women. In the case of Secretary Rice, her holding the position would also put another sad fact of our past behind us, discrimination against people of color. However, just as during the last election cycle, when John Kerry tried to run as “a Catholic”, I will make my decision on who to support based upon their positions on the fundamental issues of our age. Choosing someone who claimed to be a Catholic, while he opposed the infallible teaching of his own Church concerning this issue, was not an option for me. Similarly, supporting a woman who is wrong on this issue, simply because she is a woman, is wrong.

There are several dangers emerging in this political plot. Let me discuss just a few.

Secretary Rice has referred to herself as being “libertarian” on this issue. By that she means that she is not pro-life. One cannot believe it is ever right to give someone a choice to do what is always and everywhere wrong. This is one of the areas where the role of Government, to protect innocent human beings against unjust aggression, is eminently clear. Though I believe, as a Catholic Christian, that libertarianism is antithetical to the Christian vision of the human person, the family and the human community, I must point out that even some “libertarians”, such as “libertarians for life”, oppose abortion. The growing “libertarian” impulse in Republican politics may mark a decided turn in the party that will make it increasingly difficult to support, even though between the two parties, it at least has a pro-life platform.

Then there is the tired label, “conservative.” Many faithful Christians, Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic and Orthodox, who have stood faithful to the clear and unbroken tradition of Christianity that procured abortion is always wrong and can never be justified, have been painted into a corner by letting themselves be “labeled” as conservatives. The arguments are already being made that a “conservative” should want issues decided by the States and not favor a big Federal Government. Based on the Christian ordering principle of subsidiarity, I share the desire to keep good governance at the lowest practical level. However, my opposition to abortion is rooted in my opposition to murder. It is a legitimate role of government to protect its citizens from unjust aggression. Abortion is unjust aggression against an innocent victim who is incapable of defending himself or herself. Sending it “back to the Sates” is no solution. Just as slavery was wrong and rightly required a National policy to oppose it and to undo its harm, abortion is wrong and requires the same approach at every level of government.

Here come the “pro-choice” Republicans. Like the “pro-choice” Democrats, they are beginning to spout the platitudes of people who simply have no courage. It is in how we respond to this issue that the soul and future of our Nation will be revealed. The very nature of freedom lies at the heart of the entire discussion. In his monumental encyclical letter entitled the “Gospel of Life”, Pope John Paul II warned of a “counterfeit notion of freedom” as a raw power over others who are weaker. He also wrote about the possible the “death of true freedom” resulting from unmooring our freedom to choose from reference to unchanging truths such as the right to life.

This interview with Secretary Rice should rouse every champion of true freedom to begin to act for the 2008 race now. We need candidates, be they Democrat or Republican, whose position on the right to life is absolutely clear. Not people who claim to be “mildly pro-choice.” ________________________________________________________ Keith A. Fournier is a human rights lawyer and public policy advocate.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; clinton; fournier; presidentialrace; prolife; rice
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To: tcg
I wish us all well.

" ... However, I know that if the Republicans go the way of Guliani, and other "pro-choice" folks, it will lose many of us ... "

Time will tell. I don't see that happening. (eternal optimist mode)

Should it occur, it will be the first time I will be happy I am and "elder" statesman, because it won't be only the fact that ... "it will lose many of us".

The country will become part and parcel of Europa. ;)




Parle vous Francais?

41 posted on 03/13/2005 1:49:14 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Mothers were not sent to jail before Roe v. Wade erupted like a bomb. Abortion doctors were occasionally sent to jail or lost their licenses to practice medicine.

There were relatively few abortions, and few abortion related deaths, contrary to the propaganda. Women were more careful not to get pregnant unless they were in a position to have the child. There were far fewer illegitimate births than there are now, even with abortion.

What you didn't have back then was unlimited unprotected sex.


42 posted on 03/13/2005 1:49:30 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: G.Mason

Condi has the stuff all right.

> I voted for Goldwater in 1963. ;)

My parents voted for him in 1964...


43 posted on 03/13/2005 1:59:13 PM PST by cloud8
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To: Keith in Iowa
What really scares the hell out of me is the contingent here that would rather see a "President Hillary"

Really? There are people here who would rather have Clinton as President instead of Rice if those were the choices? Who are they?

44 posted on 03/13/2005 2:01:03 PM PST by DemWatch
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To: G.Mason

Have you ever read an obituary for an aborted child?

Death comes to those who live.

Abortion denies life, a fact that can not be denied.

Allen / Bush III in '08
gpapa


45 posted on 03/13/2005 2:02:05 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: JLS
Mildly pro choice could mean anything:

I remember reading a long time back that she believed abortion was not murder, but felt roe vs wade should be overturned so states could decide if they wanted it or not, kind of like the reverse Cuomo view.

46 posted on 03/13/2005 2:08:15 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: billybudd
Yes, indeed, and it's also like mildly trying to avoid the issue.
47 posted on 03/13/2005 2:10:25 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: tcg
This is not a choice between right and wrong.
This is a choice between mild and wild.

If it makes you feel better to say you are in favor of the ideal solution, go ahead and do it. But in the end you have to make a choice, even not choosing is a choice to waste your vote.

If the mild loses to the wild because you chose to support a third party candidate who didn't have a chance and split the conservative vote, or chose to not vote at all, then you an in effect voting for the wild.
48 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:11 PM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: Godebert
I'd wager the Pro-Abortion, Pro-homosexual agenda gun-grabbing Giulliani would do even better.

If you wanted proof that Rudy was thinking of running for prez, see what his new views are on gays and guns.

He now claims he's for civil unions but against gay marriage, and regarding guns, he likens them to cars, with a get a "get a licience and you can get a gun" kind of view, he's backtracking so fast, its almost bizare.

49 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:52 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Just curious though--if the social conservatives voted for Bush because of this one issue, where has it gotten them? Abortion is as legal today as it was six years ago.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by riri
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To: riri

There was more abortions in the 2000-2004 period, then the 1996-2000 period. I guess its the thought that counts.


51 posted on 03/13/2005 2:17:22 PM PST by ran15
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To: gpapa
Allen / Bush III in '08

I'm assuming your referring to Jeb Bush, however, I doubt that he would like to be referred to as 3.

Since George W. Bush is his brother, he would (funny as it may sound) also qualify as number 2 from his father.

52 posted on 03/13/2005 2:18:07 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: riri

---"Just curious though--if the social conservatives voted for Bush because of this one issue, where has it gotten them? Abortion is as legal today as it was six years ago."---

Nothing, not even slight limitations on abortion, can or will hold up until there is an overturning of Roe vs. Wade by the Supreme Court. Those of us who do require a candidate to be pro-life know this. This is also why the Democrats are willing to lose seats, credibility, trash Senate tradition, and use any means necessary to prevent Bush from making judicial appointments.

What we've gotten from it is a candidate who will nominate pro-life judges. What is making things difficult is that there have been no Supreme Court openings yet for Bush to make a nomination, and it'll be a cold day in hell before a pro-choice justice steps down while a Republican is President.

Now it's up to the Senate to do their job.


53 posted on 03/13/2005 2:20:04 PM PST by TitansAFC (When will Kristen Breitweiser just declare her candidacy already?!?!?)
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To: oldbrowser

With all respect, you act as though this is a foregone conclusion. Of course it is not. I am making a choice now to support a different candidate. I have suggested Senator Santorum. He would be a great choice. The Codi v Hilary discussion is only the first trial balloon in a race that is years off.


54 posted on 03/13/2005 2:22:08 PM PST by tcg (TCG)
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To: ran15
Yeah, it's bizarre. I detest the idea of abortion as much as the next guy. And, my last concern is the mother's right to choose. But, damn we had a woman here in my city fall asleep in a WalMart parking lot with a crystal meth pipe in one hand and a ONE MONTH old baby in the back seat.

No one deserves to be born into that life.

55 posted on 03/13/2005 2:23:21 PM PST by riri
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To: Sonny M

I only meant it metaphorically of course.

Allen / Jeb or Jeb / Allen in '08 , take your pick

gpapa


56 posted on 03/13/2005 2:26:24 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: cloud8
"My parents voted for him in 1964..."

Probably the same election I voted for him, November 22, 1963.

Besides, children should be seen and not herded! ;)




You are right about Condi being right, stuff and all!

57 posted on 03/13/2005 2:30:31 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: gpapa
"Have you ever read an obituary for an aborted child? ... "

Sorry you missed my point.

I did not miss your's.

58 posted on 03/13/2005 2:33:03 PM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: G.Mason

I concede your point. I just prefer someone other than Condi Rice.

gpapa


59 posted on 03/13/2005 2:36:31 PM PST by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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To: sevry; thoughtomator
the GOP will nominate a governor. Condi would first of all, I believe, have to either win statehouse, or get the VP spot on the GOP ticket to even consider a Presidential run.

the Presidency is not an entry-level elective position.

. . . and neither is it an old war horse's position - I believe I read that nobody has been elected president who did not first attain at least the vice presidency within 14 years of first election to statewide office as senator (or, almost always, governor).

We don't elect presidents because of who their daddy was or is - otherwise R. Prescott Reagan would be a serious contender if not a shoo-in for the Republican nomination. In fact we seldom - only twice out of the 43 men elected so far - elect the son of a president. But we should not decline to consider a well-qualified person because of who his daddy is, either. Or his brother, for that matter. And if you look at it that way, and ask who is

you find yourself questioning exactly who would be a better choice for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination than Jeb Bush.

60 posted on 03/13/2005 2:44:28 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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