If the cross goes, then so should the witch on this patch, as these witches readily admit that theirs is a religion.
Posted on 03/10/2005 8:28:04 AM PST by Liz
A 43-foot tall cross that was erected atop Mt. Soledad in San Diego, California 50 years ago to honor our Nation’s veterans faces imminent removal unless we act now. An ACLU-backed atheist has waged a 15-year court battle to force removal of the famous cross, and a federal court has ordered the city of San Diego to remove it. One option remains.
Federal law known as the Antiquities Act authorizes the President to designate landmarks and structures as national monuments and make the property on which the monument stands federal property.
President Clinton used this law to establish numerous new national monuments during his term.
In addition, the Historic Sites Act allows the Secretary of the Interior to designate certain sites national historic landmarks and bring them under the care of the National Park Service.
Just recently, on Veterans' Day, a new plaque was added to the Mt. Soledad Memorial to honor President Reagan, further strengthening its status as a monument worthy of national protection. Thus, it is fitting that the President formally designate Mt. Soledad as a national memorial park for veterans, and save it from destruction at the hands of the ACLU. President Bush can save the historic cross from another ACLU-backed removal by designating Mt. Soledad a national monument.
The Antiquities Act authorizes the President to designate landmarks and structures as national monuments. President Bush must make the Mount Soledad cross a national monument.
EMAIL, FAX or PHONE Gov Arnold, and every Republican California legislator to contact the president today asking GWB to launch this initiative:
CA WEB SITE http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:jMbXBSy2Ie8J:www.standingupforcalifornia.com/action/contact-legislators.html
EMAIL, FAX or PHONE every Republican US Senator and Representative:
US GOV WEB SITE http://www.firstgov.gov/Contact.shtml
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City of San Diego Orders 29-Foot Cross Removed from Mountainside
San Diego Union-Tribune | March 9, 2005 | By Matthew T. Hall
The Mount Soledad cross must go, the San Diego City Council said yesterday. The 16-year saga of whether the cross would stay on public land in La Jolla came to an emotional conclusion last night as the council voted 5-3 to reject a last-ditch effort to keep it in place. The vote capped a six-hour public hearing that attracted 350 people, most of them Christians who urged the council to donate the cross and surrounding land to the federal government so it possibly could remain where it has stood since 1954.
But the cross now must be moved to comply with an injunction forbidding its presence on public land. Federal Judge Gordon Thompson Jr. issued the injunction in 1991, when he ruled that the cross violated the state Constitution's guarantee of separation between church and state. Thompson had left it to the city and the lawyers in the case to resolve the matter.
In the latest court decision in the case, a panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2002 that the constitutional violation still existed when it struck down the city's second attempt to sell the land to a private buyer. "This is definitely the first page of the final chapter, and I don't expect the final chapter to last another five years," lawyer James McElroy said last night. "I think we are at the end of the line here."
McElroy represents Philip Paulson, one of two atheists who filed the original lawsuit against the city in 1989. He said attorneys for the city as well as the group that maintains the cross and Paulson will meet soon to finalize plans for when and where to move the cross, which stands 29 feet tall on top of a 5-foot-high base. McElroy said he would call the City Attorney's Office today, and that the cross could be moved within 90 days.
An ACLU-backed atheist has waged a 15-year court battle to force removal of the famous cross, and a federal court has ordered the city of San Diego to remove it. However, one option remains.
Federal law known as the Antiquities Act authorizes the President to designate landmarks and structures as national monuments and make the property on which the monument stands federal property. President Clinton used this law to establish numerous new national monuments during his term. In addition, the Historic Sites Act allows the Secretary of the Interior to designate certain sites national historic landmarks and bring them under the care of the National Park Service. Just this month, on Veterans' Day, a new plaque was added to the Mt. Soledad Memorial to honor President Reagan, further strengthening its status as a monument worthy of national protection.
Thus, it is fitting that the President formally designate Mt. Soledad as a national memorial park for veterans, and save it from destruction at the hands of the ACLU. President Bush can save the historic cross from another ACLU-backed removal by designating Mt. Soledad a national monument.
This is pretty sad, I have been listening via Mark Larson on KOJO. I don't live in San Diego, I was stationed there in the 70's while in the submarine service.
Since the city will not turn the land over to the Fed's. Why not sell the land under the cross (5 x 5') to a private citizen or company.
This has been done successfully in other states. Then the cross is on "private land."
The real problem is we just have too much government these days taking our land.
The antiquities act may be able to save the cross , but it doesnt solve the problem. We need to replace the whole 9th circuit, ignore atheists and their horse Sheit, and do away with the ACLU.
I'm skeptical that the haters might move on the cross even on "private" land.
The Antiquities Act might be the best option at the moment.
Sounds good to me. We're working on it.
Buy a piece of prime proterty and put the thing up or make a new and better one.
On Sundays Catholic Mass is celebrated at Ground Zero, beneath an unusual icon. Discovered in the rubble, standing erect, rescue workers found a perfectly formed steel cross, and immediately rallied to it as a symbol of Hope. It stands at the front of the site in solemn defiance of all that is surrounding it. Many look upon it as a miracle.
I actually met the man who found it. He was introduced to me by the Fire Department Chaplain, Father Brian Jordan. Frank Silecchia is a huge, gentle man with hands three times the size of mine. Born in Brooklyn of a Jewish mother and a Roman Catholic father, he is a simple man with native eloquence and Faith to move mountains. We stood in the muck and mire midst the spirits of shattered dreams between the cross and the remains of the North Tower as he told me his tale.
Many of the buildings surrounding the World Trade Center had been crushed by the falling debris. In the hours and days following the massacre, rescue workers risked their own lives in the desperate hunt for survivors. This brought Frankie into one of those tottering shells, the Customs House, Building 6. Eventually he reached the basement, and there, in the center of the building, was a crater, and rising up out of the crater the steel cross, fully erect.
It was the morning of the third day. For twenty minutes he stood there, and wept.
It had been part of the North Tower, and as that structure came down, this cross had passed through the roof of the building, plummeted through floor after floor after floor, down, down, down until finally coming to rest where he found it.
“This is holy ground we are walking on,” he told me. “All those people that died here, they’re still here in a way. Don’t you see?” and here he looked up to where the tower once stood. “Don’t you see? Jesus was raised up on the cross, He died, and He descended to the dead. Then He gathered them up, and then,” and now he turned to where his Cross stood witness, high over the widening pit, “then . . . Resurrection! And He rises and takes everyone with Him to the Father!”
Father Jordan, who was still with us, nodded, and it is hard to imagine a thousand volumes of theology and philosophy that could have explained things any better.
Still, to call this a miracle is ridiculous, of course. This can be no more an act of God than the '69 Mets. Both towers and the other destroyed structures had steel frames and doubtless thousands of such right-angle joints as might form what looks to us to be a cross. Right?
But symbols, which are all man-made, can nonetheless be powerful. What is the Liberty Bell other than an old decrepit piece of junk, or the tattered flag of Fort McHenry that we spend millions to preserve, or that Lady in the Harbor? But does not each in turn stir something in the soul?
For the Christian, the Cross is the ultimate symbol of triumph over Evil and Death. Secularly, when used by the Red Cross it becomes a symbol of Hope and Healing. Our long tradition of burying the dead under crosses goes beyond the principles of the Christian religion.
True, there have been times when the cross has been usurped for ignoble causes, but here at the Gates of Hell there can be no doubt of its purpose.
Understandably, some will object to such a prominent display of religion in a public place.
But if, on a crisp autumn day when the pipes play "Amazing Grace" and the drum sounds the Dead March, some widow or child or mom or dad glances up at that cross and thinks for but a moment, "I am the Resurrection and the Life," who among us should say them nay?
-By Robert N. Going, Red Cross Volunteer
Beautiful contribution to the thread.......thanks.
Can we outside of CA do anything? I can call/write the President but I canmnot ask a GOP rep outside of NJ to help.
Let them take the cross away. All crosses, everywherem,in that city.
SD has become the pit of hell anyway.
Contact your state's Republican US Congressman and Senators to call on President Bush with the monument suggestion (sample letter above).
Might also contact the state Republican party to alert conservative state legislators.
Contact CALI churches and Christian groups affiliated with your denomination.
And pass the word to as many individual Christians as possible.
THANK YOU Liz for assembling the information toolkit. I pray that we PRAY, for
GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN THEE, THAN HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, evil in high places.
The battle belongs to the LORD. (And WE have to serve on the battlefield.)
Sent out to my email lists.
Thank you for the detailed post.
Great response........we will win.
Amen and amen.
Pass the word.
Ping!
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas
ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits
ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
Additional information:
The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back
Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')
ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings
See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU
This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members
The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)
American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy
"I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produced the wealth: communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, Harvard Reunion Book, 1935
"The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on." - William Z. Foster, ACLU co-founder and former chairman, Communist Party USA.
Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list
There was another thread started today with good discussion:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1359968/posts
I put out a few links to some good reads.
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive30.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35105
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/pages/NEWS/newspage.asp?story=1516
http://www.godless.org/eth/Soledad.html - written by Philip Paulson
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