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Bush's hydrogen future is here (Big break through)
United Nuclear ^

Posted on 03/07/2005 10:45:56 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com

United Nuclear is currently in final testing, and will shortly be producing Hydrogen Fuel Systems & Hydrogen generators for several late model, fuel injected, Gasoline powered vehicles.

Powering a vehicle by Hydrogen is by no means a new idea, and in fact, almost all automobile manufacturers are currently developing a new generation of vehicles that run on Hydrogen as opposed to Gasoline. This new generation of vehicles are essentially electric cars that use a Fuel Cell instead of a battery to run the electric motor. Using a chemical process, Fuel Cells in these new vehicles convert the stored Hydrogen on board, and the Oxygen in the air, directly into electricity to power their electric motors. These new vehicles are very efficient, and in fact are more efficient than any internal combustion engine. The problem is that these new vehicles are years away from production, are very expensive, and converting to using Hydrogen fuel in this manner requires you to buy a new ( and expensive ) vehicle. All Hydrogen/Fuel Cell systems currently under development by large manufacturers have you purchase Hydrogen as you would Gasoline. Our system comes with its own "in-home" Hydrogen generator which allows you to manufacture fuel yourself at near zero cost. Our Hydrogen conversion is an intermediate approach that simply converts your existing vehicle to burn Hydrogen or Gasoline. The Gasoline fuel system remains intact and is not modified. This allows you to switch between running on Gasoline or Hydrogen at any time. The engine itself is only slightly modified, the conversion makes substantial changes to the computer & electrical system, ignition and cooling systems. Since they never have to be removed, Hydrogen fuel storage (Hydride tanks) can be installed in virtually any available space within the vehicle.

(Excerpt) Read more at unitednuclear.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; energy; hydrogen; mideast; ohthehumanity
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To: mike182d
Yes, all the current oil companies are ecstatic about his and will do what they can to make it happen.

Who do you think owns all the filling stations? Oil companies long ago realized that they are in the energy distribution business, not the "oil" business. If there's money to be made in producing hydrogen and making it available on the nearest street corner, they'll jump at the chance.

41 posted on 03/07/2005 11:16:58 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Nate1984
--an "efficient" hydrogen fueled vehicle depends on a cheap source of energy to obtain and store hydrogen in a form not chemically bonded to something else, most commonly oxygen.

It must obey not only the laws of physics, but of equal importance , make economic sense---

42 posted on 03/07/2005 11:17:22 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: robertpaulsen

Once again, there’s a hydrogen thread and some dolt posts a picture of the Hindenburg.

So that you and others know, the fire you see is the skin of the airship burning NOT the hydrogen.

Hydrogen may or may not be a viable and efficient means of powering our conveyances, but should cars one day be powered by H2, they will not blow up like the Hindenburg.


43 posted on 03/07/2005 11:18:47 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: robertpaulsen
The Hindenberg wasn't powered by hydrogen, it just used it for flotation. It was actually powered by a bunch o' big ass diesels.

The Hindenberg does, however, act as a really good argument for not waterproofing your hydrogen-floated airship with rocket fuel...

44 posted on 03/07/2005 11:18:50 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: ned13
I still have to look into the "at-home" reforming system

It's not a reforming system. The vehicle burns the hydrogen, it doesn't react it in a fuel cell. The hydrogen is stored in a metal hydride tank and is released as a gas when the tank is heated. The gas is piped to the engine and into the ignition chambers via the fuel injection system.

The at-home hydrogen creation system is nothing more than two electrodes in a tank. You put water in the tank, add some table salt to allow for electrical conduction, and plug the unit in. On one electrode oxygen bubbles out of the water. On the other electrode, hydrogen bubbles out.

You can do this at home with a power supply, glass jar, teaspoon of salt, copper wire and alligator clips. It's a fun science experiment.

45 posted on 03/07/2005 11:20:51 AM PST by frgoff
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To: ned13
I still have to look into the "at-home" reforming system that this company promotes but most likely it will leave trace amounts of impurities which will shave time off of the life of your fuel cell.

These guys are selling a reforming system to burn the hydrogen in your internal combustion engine, not to power a fuel cell.

46 posted on 03/07/2005 11:21:08 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
United Nuclear is the company started by Bob Lazar of area 51 fame. The guy often quoted on the cable channels as saying they were testing space vehicles or was it captured space vehicles at area 51?
47 posted on 03/07/2005 11:21:33 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: KurtAZ

Helium doesn't burn. It was hydrogen. It was also a joke.


48 posted on 03/07/2005 11:21:51 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

its how they store acetylene


49 posted on 03/07/2005 11:22:09 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: rellimpank

It's called electrolysis, and is relatively basic, it just requires an electrical current. As we know, electricity can come from a number of sources already. And it's more like the laws of chemistry.


50 posted on 03/07/2005 11:22:36 AM PST by Nate1984
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Hydrogen generator which allows you to manufacture fuel yourself at near zero cost.

What a nonsense, there is no "free" hydrogen in the air, extracting hydrogen from water requires electricity (energy) or from other compounds also requires energy. There is no free energy at "zero cost".

51 posted on 03/07/2005 11:23:28 AM PST by Anticommie
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To: pgyanke
I hope we can someday get the government out of promoting private industries and leave this to the market. Short of that... I hope as you hope.

One could argue that reducing or eliminating dependency on foreign oil is a national security matter, and therefore grants/subsidies on this point are justified.

52 posted on 03/07/2005 11:24:08 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: ElTianti
So that you and others know, the fire you see is the skin of the airship burning NOT the hydrogen.

True. Hydrogen fire burns so hot the flame is almost invisible, so the hydrogen burning at the same time is not visible in the photo.

53 posted on 03/07/2005 11:26:02 AM PST by frgoff
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To: rface

As stated, the oxygen and hydrogen from water are seperated. The oxygen is released back into the atmosphere, and the hydrogen is converted for storage. The converter can run on solar power, wind power (for those near Lake Michigan), or plugged into a 110v outlet.


54 posted on 03/07/2005 11:26:53 AM PST by Senior Chief (Here I am, right where I left myself.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Perhaps I'm simple minded but considering the situation in regards to oil for energy, I think this sort of thing should be a priority for this country.

If I were king, I would make it so.


55 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:02 AM PST by Trampled by Lambs ("Making Al Gore regret inventing the internet, one post at a time")
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To: tm22721

" Just where do you think that we will get the hydrogen ? From petroleum ? Or nuclear ?"

I was thinking we could get the electricity from: Petroleum, nuclear, hydro (dams), coal, ethanol, solar, wind, or anything else you can think of. The problem isn’t where the energy to produce hydrogen will come from – it’s whether the government will allow us to quit using oil: The taxes oil generates cannot be taken out of the system without Washington D.C. going bankrupt.

The benefit of United Nuclear’s system is freedom from the Mid-East, not a magic new source of energy or a perpetual running motor. It will still cost money and use dirty energy. The difference will shift the pollution from our cars to the power plants and take power/reliance away from the Mid-east (Iran).

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


56 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:33 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Storing hydrogen as a hydride is more than a quarter of a century old. As far as generating the hydrogen, how many consumers can install a wind generator at their residence and how many locations would provide reliable sites for solar panels? Assuming the sun was available for twelve hours, it would take four days to load a tank - two days at twenty-four hours as stated in the article. I take this to be more hype than reality. Something in the blackhole of my memory tells that this company was involved in shady practices many years ago.


57 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:36 AM PST by monocle
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To: The_wonderful_wizard_of_oz
Isnt that prone to big explosions?

Yes, and a bill was introduced recently by a North Carolina Democrat mandating NASCAR convert all motors used in their sanctioned racing series to hydrogen powered cells.

I can see it now.....

"We gotta caution in turn 3......"


58 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:41 AM PST by ILLUMINATI_216 (The goal is the creation of a New World Order.)
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To: tm22721

My guess would be coal. Though I would prefer nuclear.


59 posted on 03/07/2005 11:28:20 AM PST by jjw
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To: The_wonderful_wizard_of_oz

Oh the humanity


60 posted on 03/07/2005 11:29:48 AM PST by dhouston
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