Showdown at border?

WorldNetDaily ^ | March 7, 2005 | JOSEPH FARAH

[TERMINATTOR]

Violent, terror-connected gang threatens
to confront civilian immigration patrols

It looks like there is going to be a second "showdown at the OK Corral" in Tombstone, Ariz., April 1.

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization to teach a lesson to a group of Americans taking border control into their own hands.

The American civilians, known as the "Minutemen," say they have some 750 volunteers ready to show up in Tombstone to start policing the border and dealing with illegal immigration.

The Mara Salvatruchas, founded in Los Angeles, has become one of the most violent and widespread gangs throughout South America, the U.S. and even Canada. Many of its members and leaders have been deported from the U.S., but the group is said to be deeply involved in cross-border arms-running and drug-smuggling operations, according to U.S. law enforcement sources.

Lately, the gang has joined forces with former members of the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, a radical terrorist group, and some U.S. intelligence sources say they may also be cooperating with Islamic terrorist groups – including al-Qaida.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen hope to form a group of civilians from all walks of life to patrol the border day and night – even with the threat of such violence. Their goal is stop the flow of illegal immigration through the Arizona-Mexico border, the biggest entry point into the U.S.

Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, Calif., is leading the project.

"I struck the mother load of nationalism," he told a local TV station. "I thought I would be lucky to get 12 volunteers. In six months, I've gotten almost 500."

The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border. Some people call the area "America's Open Door." Along this section of the border, more than 43 percent of all illegal entries to the U.S. take place.

Last year, the Tucson Border Patrol apprehended 491,000. But for every person caught, immigration sources say, at least five walk in undetected.

"We're going to set up at least 40 maybe 80 outposts, four to six people per outpost 24/7, looking for people who are infiltrating over that border," said Gilchrist.

To do this, Gilchrist is amassing people from all walks of life to spend a month camped out on the border.

But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.

"Ten percent of our members are retired law enforcement officers who have a right to carry a concealed weapon. They probably will carry and you won't know it," he said.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

Border patrol agents have seen a growing problem with violence in recent years. Agents have been attacked by frustrated smugglers with rocks, bricks, even automatic weapons.

According to authorities, violence along the Tucson sector has climbed to an all-time high.

"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame.

But that has not deterred many of the volunteers.

The Minutemen even have an air force. They plan to use about two dozen aircraft to patrol the skies near the border.

Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

The Mara Salvatruchas identify themselves with tattoos, such as "MS" or the numbers 13 and 18, signifying their relationship to the gang. The gang formed in the United States in the 1980s in a Los Angeles prison. The 13 and 18 signify the city streets in L.A. where they hung out.

U.S. officials are concerned the gang members might help sneak al-Qaida terrorists into America.

Rivera-Paz was charged with illegally entering the United States after being deported, but is expected to be extradited to Honduras to face charges in connection with the bus massacre.

[TERMINATTOR]

Bring it on!

[nightdriver]

Sounds like a good application for an infra-red scope.

[TERMINATTOR]

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/hunting_units_30b.shtml
Hunting season is year round for "Coyote and Skunk".

Plenty of free camping on public lands. http://www.publiclands.org/explore/quadrant_map.php?quad=az_q32

[kingattax]

PING

[Pro-Bush]

Bump!

[WestVirginiaRebel]

Adame is worried about untrained civilians? So deputize and train 'em. Many of them must be veterans who would know how to use a gun in a potentially dangerous situation.

[sevry]

Adame is worried about untrained civilians? So deputize and train 'em.

I agree. This isn't, in this case, even so much about the border and 'amnesty' plans. This is a straightforward challenge by an international criminal gang to American citizens - do what we want, or get shot. Well, Americans can shoot back. It sounds like this gangster wants open war and thinks Americans are weak or can't shoot straight. I'm generally very opposed to teaching 'lessons'. It's pointless and demeaning, mostly to the 'teacher'. But in the case, it might be an exception. An international criminal gang had laid down its challenge. How do Americans respond?

[Northern Alliance]

Hopefully this thread won't get yanked

Why would it get yanked? - Seriously..

[ExSoldier]

Many of them must be veterans who would know how to use a gun in a potentially dangerous situation.

With the exception of SWAT and other special tactical units about 90% of most civilians who have a CCW permit are better with the employment of their sidearm than the cops. Look at the STATS for numbers of rounds fired for cops versus civilians. Then look at the accuracy stats.

In my IDPA Club, there are a number of former military, myself among them. We may be graying, overweight and outta shape, but I'll bet we all still remember how to patrol in the fireteam wedge formation for movement and use bounding overwatch when threat levels are high. Heck, sounds like a fun sort of "adventure vacation." You know what? The guy who organized this should post notices in the journal that is sent out to the Retired Special Forces Association. I think it's located at MacDill AFB in Tampa.

I really think the frickin' FEDS are more worried that the "civilians" will do a better job than they can and acquit themselves better under fire. BRING.....IT.....ON....

[niteowl77]

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization...

In a 5-4 decision today, the Supreme Court affirmed the right of crime bosses to run their organizations from federal prisons. Writing the majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy said, "The rights of violent, terror-connected Latin American gang leaders should be seen as a nuanced part of an overall picture that...

[SheLion]

This border issue is unreal.

Fox News did a documentary interviewing a Border Patrol man and his wife (last year), who live in a trailer right on this side of the fence.  They are BEGGING for our government to send help down to them, ANY kind of help.  Even if is our  National Guards.

Night after night, the Border patrol and his wife wearing night goggles take pictures for proof.  Thousands are coming across in hordes.  And that IS night after night. Fox News even showed the video tapes that the Border and his wife have been  taking of these people jumping the fence and running.

The Fox Newsman (I forget his name.  He has the gray hair, is tall, thin with a long thin face), spent the night with this couple, also using night goggles to watch for himself.

The next morning, they walked about the yard.  She said that they are NOT all Mexican's.  That they have found the books of the Koran and prayer rugs dropped in haste as the people jumped the fence and ran on into our Country.

She showed the rugs and the books to the Fox Newsman.  It was horrifying. 

What with all the Mosque's in our Country, what better shelter for the terrorists to find shelter?  They are here, people.  Scattered all over the United States.

Here is an updated map of where all the Mosque's are.  Look and weep for our Country.

Congressman refuses to probe illegal alien
terrorist cell in his own district

January 28, 2005 - Despite widespread news reports linking Moroccan Muslims to worldwide terrorism, Florida Congressman Ric Keller (R-8-FL) has declined to call for a formal FBI or Government Accounting Office (GAO) investigation of Orlando Homeland Security official Mary Schneider's concrete evidence of green card bribery of immigration officials by illegal Moroccan Muslims linked to a terrorist cell in Keller's central Florida congressional district--the hub of Sunshine State tourism and airline traffic.

Our interview with the Orlando immigration adjudication officer revealed that Keller, who is a member of the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security told Mary Schneider "your problem is not a matter within the purview of a federal agency." Full Story

"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain,and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims..."

February 17, 2005

Feds Worry Over Al-Qaeda Use of Mexican Border

 

"New intelligence information strongly suggests that Al Qaeda has considered infiltrating the United States through the Mexican border, top government officials told Congress on Wednesday," according to the AP. "In his written testimony, Admiral Loy cited recent information from investigations and detentions as the basis for his concern about the Mexican border. He added, "Several Al Qaeda leaders believe operatives can pay their way into the country through Mexico and also believe illegal entry is more advantageous than legal entry for operational security reasons."http://www.steinreport.com/

Time magazine quote:
“The number of illegal aliens flooding into the US this year will total 3 million - enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 727-700 airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year.”

[SheLion]

Thanks for the ping! I just got over here and playing ketchup. :)

[dennisw]

Bring it on!

Sorry to say but some violence and shootings on the border can only work to embarrass the Feds and bring in more Border Patrol agents to do a proper job. Maybe even some National Guard and military if we can spare a few from protecting the borders of Iraq.

[dennisw]

I really think the frickin' FEDS are more worried that the "civilians" will do a better job than they can and acquit themselves better under fire. BRING.....IT.....ON....

IOW Embarrass our stupids in the Federal bureaucracy. The average Border Patrol officer wants to do a better job but the traitors in Washington DC don't allow him

[seadevil]

The guy who organized this should post notices in the journal that is sent out to the Retired Special Forces Association. I think it's located at MacDill AFB in Tampa.

They know...

[HiJinx]

It could get yanked for advocating violence. Especially on the part of so-called border vigilantes.

I don't see it happening, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get talked up here on FR.

I guess we're just supposed to roll over and turn the other cheek.

Hmmm...now, there's a metaphor you don't want to spend too much time considering....

[Sender]

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

But not for very long. Anyone who illegally crosses our border and starts shooting at us deserves what they get.

[ManHunter]

Aren't there a couple of key ingredients missing in the BP's argument? 1) It's OUR side of the border; U.S. citizens ought to be able to do anything legal on this side of the border without being threatened by foreign invaders. 2) If there is a threat to "untrained civilians" on OUR side of the border, DO something about the threat! (I'm beginning to understand why Mike Savage yells so much.)

The street gang known as MS13 has had a long-standing relationship with the FMLN. MS13's parent organization, the Mara Salvatrucha - a guerilla/street gang hybrid, has been associated with the FMLN for many years. Some members of the Mara Salvatrucha were trained in Cuba and the Soviet Union, and several MS and FMLN leaders served with the Cubans in Angola. Some early members had a tattoo of Christ impaled on a bayonet. The true MS members are much more serious dudes than your average LA gang banger; only the Vietnamese can hold a candle to them in terms of ruthlessness.