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Methuen parents tell school their girl is now a boy
Boston Herald ^ | Saturday, March 5, 2005 | Casey Ross

Posted on 03/05/2005 10:36:30 AM PST by Radix

A Methuen fourth-grader who was attending school as a girl before February break has come back to school as a boy.
The parents of the 9-year-old said their child was born with the body of a girl but the brain of a boy and has struggled with identity from an early age.
The unidentified parents are now asking school officials to instruct teachers and students to refer to the child as a boy and begin using a new name to address him. The student has been attending the elementary school since first grade.
The sudden change in the child's sexual identity has generated some concerned calls to the school, but administrators said they intend to comply with the parents' request, according to the Eagle-Tribune of Lawrence.
There are about 1,200 students in the elementary school, with nearly 150 in fourth grade. So far, school officials said, students are adjusting well to the change.
The mother of the child said the decision to change the child's identity came after lengthy consultations with medical professionals. She said the child's condition is the result of a birth defect that causes the body to develop as one gender, while the brain is hardwired for another.
The mother said the child began identifying as a boy at an early age and became so insistant that she and her husband sought medical help. The child has not undergone any medical procedure to change sexes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Massachusetts; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: children; gaystate; homosexualagenda; massachusetts; methuen; schools; sex; transgender
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To: Mr. Blonde

It IS a normal occurence. These parents should have this child taken away from them..this is child abuse..messing with the poor girl's mind when she's just being a normal tomboy type.. any other explanation is pure BS... what these parents are doing is disgusting.


21 posted on 03/05/2005 11:14:08 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: xm177e2

you're the one without a clue if you think all this psychobabble has any merit... these parents are pushing their sick agenda on this girl because society has devolved to the point of sickness..


22 posted on 03/05/2005 11:16:15 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Radix

Since the parents decided to do this, I think they should have sent their child to another school where her history as a girl wasn't known. Why subject all the other children to this? The other children didn't need lessons about this in elementary school. Those parents weren't given a choice.


23 posted on 03/05/2005 11:22:30 AM PST by beaversmom (Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming)
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To: xm177e2

So is he/she from Mars or Venus?


24 posted on 03/05/2005 11:24:37 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: FoxInSocks
Quick! Someone contact Lawrence Summers at Harvard! I wonder if any of their faculty were made ill by reading this story?

Typical leftist behavior. Change your tune to exploit whatever situation you find yourself in, and always, always, always find a way to paint yourself as a victim.

25 posted on 03/05/2005 11:24:44 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Awestruck

>>It IS a normal occurence.<<

Or is this the result of a brother and sister having sex with each other, a far too common occurance.


26 posted on 03/05/2005 11:32:02 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: B4Ranch

I went to school with the product of first cousins marrying.. those kids were messed up...


27 posted on 03/05/2005 11:35:48 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Radix
So, these arrogant parents are forcing the school staff and all the other students to participate in the kids therapy, against their wills. They should have put the kid in another school but didn't because it was easier on him to stay where he was. Now, when he starts getting harassed by other students, most of whom are not being malicious, they're just inquisitive, these parents will demand that they others return to their therapy rolls or be punished. What about the other kids in this school who may have sexual identity issues that would otherwise work themselves out but now are faced every day with freaky uncertainty? It is a typical left-wing view that the many have an obligation to provide therapy for the few. My favorite example is the silly signers that the leftists have at every meeting, even if there are no deaf people present.
28 posted on 03/05/2005 11:40:11 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: FoxInSocks

Someone better tell Harvard, Summers was right.


29 posted on 03/05/2005 11:57:11 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: drt1
There was a paper, published in the Science Journal in November of 1995, concerning differences in brain structure in the transgendered. Specifically, the researchers found the structure of the hypothalamus (linked to controlling sexual development and sexual behavior) resembled that of the gender to which the individual claimed to belong.

The link is NATURE, 378: 68-70 (1995)

The research was carried out be dissecting the hypothalamus of deceased transsexual individuals, and controls of 'normal' men and women. Microtrome samples of the BSTC region of the hypothalamus were stained and then microscopically compared.

The researchers noted that the BSTC region of men and women were markedly different in size. They also noted that the BSTC region of male to female transexuals were within the range that was expected for women, and statistically different from that of men, tested at the p=0.005 level. That means there was less than 1/2 percent chance the mean for transexual BSTC regions to have a mean size with in the distribuition for men.

Researchers also compared the BSTC of a man, who had been treated for prostate with androgen blockers and estrogens. The BSTC for this individual was with in the normal size range for men. This is good evidence that adult adminstration of androgen blockers or estrogens does not produce the difference in BSTC structure.

They also noted that the BSTC for lesbians and female to male transexuals was much closer to the normal range for men than for women.

This is certainly suggestive of a biological process. I will add, more research needs to be done, to test for repeatability.

30 posted on 03/05/2005 12:08:15 PM PST by punster
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To: Awestruck

"It IS a normal occurence. These parents should have this child taken away from them..this is child abuse..messing with the poor girl's mind when she's just being a normal tomboy type.. any other explanation is pure BS... what these parents are doing is disgusting."

The record of psychotherapy, for reversing gender identity problems, is about a 99% failure rate.


31 posted on 03/05/2005 12:13:53 PM PST by punster
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To: punster
The researchers noted that the BSTC region of men and women were markedly different in size. They also noted that the BSTC region of male to female transexuals were within the range that was expected for women, and statistically different from that of men, tested at the p=0.005 level. That means there was less than 1/2 percent chance the mean for transexual BSTC regions to have a mean size with in the distribuition for men.

Not that it would be remotely ethical to do the test, but I wonder how males forced to act like females would compare. There is to some extent a variance in the growth of various areas based upon consistant behaviour. Like a muscle, certain nerve bundles grow with use.

32 posted on 03/05/2005 12:17:57 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: beaversmom
I read an article recently concerning an XXY and I think it was an XXX phenomenon. These "extra" chromosomes supposedly manifest in ways which are consistent and cause what for ever used to be considered aberrant behavior. I really just skimmed the piece, but after reading this article today, I wish that I had saved it or absorbed it a bit more.

Frankly speaking, I hold the view that most Public Schools are embedded with hard core liberals on staff, and they generally speaking live for these sort of cases. It helps them to justify many of their opinions, and it perpetuates the myth that they do everything "for the children."

They should (everyone should) read some of the remarks of the greatest despots in History made concerning Public Education. Despots such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and of course the wannabes such as Hillary.
33 posted on 03/05/2005 12:20:59 PM PST by Radix (If you think this Tag Line is good, then you should have seen the one that got away.)
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To: punster
Thanks for the information. It would suggest that this phenomena is biological in cause.

If true, what does it say about Gay/Lesbian - I tend to think it is more behavioral than biological and, perhaps, the cause and effect is reversed. Meaning the changes in BSTC that were observed were the RESULT of something else, not the apparent cause. Time will tell.

Thanks.

34 posted on 03/05/2005 12:22:59 PM PST by drt1
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To: Nataku X

Oh wow, AND you like Stargate and karate.

Will you marry me? :P


35 posted on 03/05/2005 12:26:30 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Radix

Here we go again!


36 posted on 03/05/2005 12:37:55 PM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: drt1
I've heard and watched programs on such problems. They are real.

Some children were destroyed when their parents changed their gender before they were old enough to know whether they themselves were more girl than boy or vice-versa. I'm glad they're waiting for the child to add on a few years before undertaking such a life changing operation.

37 posted on 03/05/2005 12:54:02 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Radix
Previous thread:

Parents: 4th-Grade Girl To Become Boy

38 posted on 03/05/2005 12:55:55 PM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
...and what happens if s/he changes its mind and decides s/he is bisexual? Then what?

That isn't what it's about. They were born with both male and female genitalia. Only as they grow older do they what sex they are. Male or female. It's a genetic disorder.

39 posted on 03/05/2005 12:56:07 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Constantine XIII
Well, that depends. How many inches does your TV have? :P
40 posted on 03/05/2005 1:26:30 PM PST by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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