Posted on 03/04/2005 9:18:29 AM PST by w6ai5q37b
"Does accepting the European Constitution mean a surrender of member states' sovereignty? Absolutely."
Miguel Ángel Moratinos, the Spanish Foreign Minister and Special Envoy to the Middle East for seven years, invited us into his home to tell us about his take on the EU Constitution
Surrounded by trinkets he has gathered from all the corners of the world, he tells us why a united Europe is the only way forward
The Constitutional Treaty dedicates itself to coordinating foreign affairs: what benefits does this guarantee for the EU as a whole?
The post of European Minister for Foreign Affairs is revolutionary; it will coordinate development policy, foreign relations and defence. While it is true that the decisions that will be taken will generally require the unanimous approval of the Council, the Minister will be able to make proposals that could be approved by majority voting. [This would mean] the beginnings of a European foreign service – that is to say, a European diplomacy.
Does accepting the European Constitution mean a surrender of member states' sovereignty?
Absolutely. The member states have already relinquished control of certain economic and social competences [policy areas], including justice, liberty and security. Now the difficult part is approaching: the giving up of sovereignty in the duel arenas of foreign affairs and defence. The concept of traditional citizenship has been bypassed in the 21st Century.
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The European Constitution is 511 pages long. What a joke. It declares the right of the state over the individual.
Someone should tell Tony Blair. Either he's remarkably ignorant, or lying to the British people.
This is a funny freudian slip ... meant "dual," but I bet "duel" turns out to be accurate.
The EU Constitution bears no resemblance at all to CAFTA and FTAA, Mr. Buchanan.
Someone should tell Tony Blair. Either he's remarkably ignorant, or lying to the British people.
Abandoning sovreignty is not something I would advise, but I do see a plus side: all of Europe will get one seat in the UN, thereby helping the UN to dissolve in irrelevance.
Coming soon ................ Stay tuned ................
Hillary '08 ....................
I never thought of that. Will they have to forfeit their separate representatives and only send one delegate or will they retain (insult to injury) their various votes?
S,
Eventually they will have to have only one seat, because they shouldn't be able to have it both ways.
Similarly, there should only be a single EU embassy, and EU-credentialed diplomats running around.
But of course, what should be and what is are rarely the same.
Sheesh, was there ever any question?
If the Superstate is not sovereign over its member states, then what use could it ever be?
It is not a joke. It is clearly fascist socialism.
And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. Revelation 13:1
......Return of the Worldwide-Despotic Kings to oppose the Only Righteous King-Messiah of Sovereign ISRAEL...
Amen!
Genesis!
Over a thousand years as sovereign nations will triumph over the EU eventually. I don't believe that the various nations of the EU are ready to completely abandon their national identity. Spain may be the possible exception, but I don't really believe that, either.
All-in-all, I think that the EU will crumble under the oppressively socialist rule of the EU that ignores reality in favor of over-regulation.
The member states have already relinquished control of certain economic and social competences [policy areas], including justice, liberty and security.
And the difficult part is giving up the things that their bureaucrats and state pensioners control:
Now the difficult part is approaching: the giving up of sovereignty in the duel arenas of foreign affairs and defence.
And they have 75 years of soviet history to learn from to better understand how member states on the periphery will feel as power, opportunity, and quality of life drifts osmotically towards the "better" EU member states...
Spain first, since the French are all confused and knotted up trying to figure out who to surrender their sovereignty to.
I would have thought you were right most of the past two generations, when this nonsense was only in the discussion stage. I even wrote an open letter on the subject a couple of years ago, when the nightmare seemed actually coming to fruition (Letter to Conservatives In Europe), but it really seems as though the West has fallen into a stupor, from which it is impossible to wake up.
The prime example, frankly, is not the mess in Europe, but the indifference of so many Americans to the loss of our own sense of identity here, reflected in our open border with Mexico, and the flood of "new Americans," who have nothing to do with our traditional values, lines of descent, or even any cousins to those lines of descent. The ultimate triumph of an insane socialist vision appears at hand.
Of course, a new World Government will not last. It will fragment soon enough; for all of the reasons that it should never even be considered--as well as some others that have not even occurred to anyone. But the new divisions may not come in any form that anyone would recognize; and civilization as we have known it and defended it, may end up only a memory.
The mindset that will destroy us is the Nazi/Communist frenzy for uniformity. It is even now intimidating those who still honor their heritage on both sides of the Atlantic into silence; intimidating our politicians into politically correct babbling--pretending that everybody is really just like everybody else. It is nonsense, but how many among us will call it nonsense?
William Flax
It is truly amazing that what Hitler and Stalin could not accomplish with some of the greatest armys in the world, a bunch of no-name burecrats are doing without any country objecting!!!!! Truly amazing.
At least when the Mooslims take over Europe they will have to only do it once and not 12 times.
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