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Greenspan Urges Simplification of the Tax Code(He would support a consumption tax! Hooray!)
The New York Times ^ | 3/3/2005 | David Stout

Posted on 03/03/2005 1:15:42 PM PST by kellynla

WASHINGTON, March 3 - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said today that the tax system should be simplified, perhaps with some kind of consumption tax, to encourage national economic growth and personal savings.

Mr. Greenspan, testifying before President Bush's advisory panel on tax reform, said conditions had changed greatly since the last big federal tax overhaul, in 1986, and that it was high time to set things right again.

"Changes since the 1986 act have been largely incremental without the appropriate all-encompassing context that broad reform brings to the table," Mr. Greenspan told the group. "It is perhaps inevitable that, every couple of decades, drift needs to be addressed and reversed."

President Bush has made an overhaul of the tax code one of the two overriding domestic-policy goals of his second term (the other is revamping Social Security), and White House officials and Republican allies in Congress have floated the idea of some sort of consumption tax - basically, a tax on money that people spend, such as a sales tax, rather than on what they earn.

Mr. Greenspan spoke in his typically circumspect manner, no doubt aware that his remarks, however couched in caveats, have been known to affect the markets. "I would not presume to suggest the best specific path for reforming the tax system," Mr. Greenspan told the panel, which is headed by two former senators, Connie Mack III, a Republican from Florida, and John B. Breaux, a Democrat from Louisiana.

But he did say that many economists would back a consumption tax, "particularly if one were designing a tax system from scratch." Since the United States is not starting from scratch, he said, enacting a consumption tax "raises a challenging set of transition issues," ...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: consumptiontax; fairtax; greenspan; incometax; tax; taxes; taxreform
Eliminate the income tax and replace it with a consumption tax!
1 posted on 03/03/2005 1:15:43 PM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Eliminate the income tax and replace it with a consumption tax!

Knowing our government, they'll keep the income tax and add a consuption tax.

2 posted on 03/03/2005 1:19:09 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: kellynla

I'm for it, BUT the income tax will never die.

We'd just get taxed twice as much.

I am for it ONLY if the income tax is repealed COMPLETELY.


3 posted on 03/03/2005 1:21:58 PM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: dirtboy
"Knowing our government, they'll keep the income tax and add a consuption tax.

That would be my fear. I don't trust any politician.
4 posted on 03/03/2005 1:22:45 PM PST by WHBates
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To: kellynla
I believe in a consumption-based tax, but I think I've also come around to Walter Williams point of view:

If the federal government takes only 3 percent of the GDP, just about any tax system is relatively non-oppressive. However, if government were to take 50 percent, 60 percent or 70 percent of the GDP, you tell me what tax system would be non-oppressive.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20041222.shtml

The real debate should be about the size of government spending. We need to get it much, much lower than it is today.

5 posted on 03/03/2005 1:25:18 PM PST by Jibaholic
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To: dirtboy
Knowing our government, they'll keep the income tax and add a consuption tax.

I agree. We have an astronomical debt so don't expect any relief.

6 posted on 03/03/2005 1:26:03 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Jibaholic

not to forget the waste, fraud & abuse in the federal gov't


7 posted on 03/03/2005 1:30:41 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

A sales tax with prices adjusted to real cost and profit would work. We would pay about the same for goods and services, and have more money in our pockets. A value-added tax (VAT) would be horrific with chunks added to the price of goods and services at each step in the chain from producer to customer.

Pray for the republic.

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8 posted on 03/03/2005 1:33:08 PM PST by petro45acp (Democrat = socialist. Say it loud, say it often, and VOTE!!)
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To: dirtboy
>>Knowing our government, they'll keep the income tax and add a consuption tax.<<

I look for a promise by the Republicans to eventually do away with the income tax if they get a consumption tax. Then, when the Democrats get back in they will strengthen both.

Muleteam1

9 posted on 03/03/2005 1:37:41 PM PST by Muleteam1 (When one continues to argue with a fool, there are two fools.)
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To: dirtboy
Knowing our government, they'll keep the income tax and add a consuption tax.

That is but one of my concerns. The other is motivating a black market, the government response to which would be to identify and track every good sold in America.

10 posted on 03/03/2005 1:38:59 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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"the government response to which would be to identify and track every good sold in America."

Yeah, by adding a computer-read-bar-code number unique to each product that could be read at the point-of-sale . . . wait a minute!


11 posted on 03/03/2005 1:42:00 PM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: petro45acp

sales tax? what would the rate be?
I heard as much as 20%??


12 posted on 03/03/2005 1:44:43 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Perhaps a pessimist I feel that we have moved too far into a democracy.

From that standpoint failure is not far off when we realize that we can tax "the rich" and pass the money around.

I think back to welfare reform by Reagan which he finally had to back off on. I would say that Roosevelt really got us started down a slippery slop and LBJ just turbo charged it.

Unless we reduce the size of government then any tax reform is just a study in how the govt can get its money easier.

Europe uses VAT with varies but is around 20%. On top of that they have what we would call a federal tax (I'm thinking of FR at the moment)
13 posted on 03/03/2005 1:57:46 PM PST by nomad5132005
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To: kellynla

"sales tax? what would the rate be?
I heard as much as 20%??"

You are right, I've heard between 17% and 23%

However, if the production chain no longer has to pay or withold taxes for employees and business taxes, etc., then prices to the consumer could normalize at near their current level. Additionally, we would not have that sizeable percentage of our earnings taken from us through income tax witholding.

Just what I've read.

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14 posted on 03/03/2005 2:08:35 PM PST by petro45acp (Democrat = socialist. Say it loud, say it often, and VOTE!!)
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To: petro45acp

sounds reasonable...be nice if we started manufacturing our own goods again too! LOL
nothing like a a good ol' pair of American made Levis, Jockeys, Converses etc, etc, etc...and maybe even a MADE in USA PC or TV thrown in...


15 posted on 03/03/2005 2:28:40 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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>> Eliminate the income tax and replace it with a consumption tax! <<

I agree.


16 posted on 03/03/2005 2:56:56 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: Jibaholic

>> Walter Williams' point of view:

If the federal government takes only 3 percent of the GDP, just about any tax system is relatively non-oppressive. However, if government were to take 50 percent, 60 percent or 70 percent of the GDP, you tell me what tax system would be non-oppressive. <<

Walter Williams is a genius. I'd put him in charge of the country's economy any day.


17 posted on 03/03/2005 2:59:38 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: kellynla

it would hit wealthy dividend liberals like kennedy!


18 posted on 03/03/2005 4:02:19 PM PST by avitot
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