Private patrols or vigilantes?

Fox11AZ.com ^ | March 2, 2005 | Sybil Hoffman

[Sam the Sham]

Vigilantiism is what happens when the forces of law and order are clearly outmatched and law abiding people have to face the fact that they are on their own.

[Calpernia]

>>>>"It's a war zone," he said.

Yes it is.

Bump to the vigilantis.

[henderson field]

If that was your property they were trespassing on, would you describe yourself as a vigilante?
Put another way, if they boy next door puts a baseball through your window and you scold him for it, does that make you a vigilante?

[Emmett McCarthy]

I don't know whether they're outmatched or if it's merely a lack of will on the part of those in authority over those forces. I know that citizens NEED to protect themsleves and their propery because the government has made it all too clear that it WON'T.

[Mulch]

I'm waiting for the first shot to be fired. The all hell will break loose.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The Fools in DC had better wake up.

A terror attack from over that border will bring down the government.

[One Proud Son]

I agree. When something wrong is happening right in front of my face, I feel it's wrong not to do something about it. When the authorities don't respond to illegal acts, I believe they don't deserve to prevent us from trying to fix it ourselves. If I have acres near the border, and illegals are coming through (especially smuggling drugs), I should have the right to keep them off my property. That's partly why we have the 2nd amendment.

[k2blader]

I think they're vigilantes only if they physically confront the illegals. Patroling and alerting the proper authorities is fine.

Although if illegals are crossing through people's private property, I think homeowners/landowners should be able to do more than just be part of a watchdog group.

[panaxanax]

A terror attack from that border will bring Martial Law to the U.S.

I still can't believe that our govt can't stop this flow of illegals- potential terrorists. What the heck are they thinking?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

A hamfisted act of martial law would get them in even worse trouble.

It's not us citizens they're supposed to be stopping.

[supercat]

A terror attack from that border will bring Martial Law to the U.S.

I still can't believe that our govt can't stop this flow of illegals- potential terrorists. What the heck are they thinking? Your first sentence answered your question.

[bayourod]

Have you ever wondered why no responsible person has seriously proposed that we can seal our borders from illegal laborers?

In the 82 mile San Diego sector border we have double fences, patrol roads, floodlights, underground motion sensors, guard towers, infrared surveillance cameras, unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles, all terrain vehicles, helicopters, patrol roads, horse patrols and one of the highest concentration of guards. Still they come by the thousands every year.

The Mexican border averages five guards per mile, and still hundreds of thousands cross every year. Some call it an "open border". If five per mile doesn't work how many would you estimate it would take to stop all of them? Ten per mile? Twenty? Forty?

The cost per guard is $150,000 per year. At just ten per mile that's $1,500,000 per mile per year.

Since there are over 100,000 miles of border around the U.S., that means we would need one million border guards at an annual cost of $150,000,000,000. Even if you could find one million people willing to walk the deserts and mountains, the illegals would still get through.

That's a very high price to pay just to prevent the forty million Americans we have aborted from being replaced.

[Cultural Jihad]

I'm waiting for the first shot to be fired. The all hell will break loose.

All it'll take is the first false-imprisonment of an American citizen whom the vigilantes had charged with "walking down the public street with brown skin."

[semaj]

...when the forces of law and order are clearly outmatched ..."

Law enforcement, (ie..the gubmint) does not give a rat's @$$.

[semaj]

"That's a very high price to pay just to prevent the forty million Americans we have aborted from being replaced."

Ouch!

[Ajnin]

In the 82 mile San Diego sector border we have double fences, patrol roads, floodlights, underground motion sensors, guard towers, infrared surveillance cameras, unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles, all terrain vehicles, helicopters, patrol roads, horse patrols and one of the highest concentration of guards. Still they come by the thousands every year.

San Diego Sector now gets between 2-3 thousand illegals a month instead of 10-30 thousand.

The Mexican border averages five guards per mile,

This isn't true and you have been told this over and over again yet you still repeat it.

If five per mile doesn't work how many would you estimate it would take to stop all of them? Ten per mile? Twenty? Forty?

Another falsehood

The cost per guard is $150,000 per year. At just ten per mile that's $1,500,000 per mile per year.

This isn't true either.

[bayourod]

"This isn't true and you have been told this over and over again yet you still repeat it. "

The facts I stated are correct.

For example the Mexican border is 1900 miles long and has 1200 Border Patrol Agents assigned to it. Do the math. That averages over five per mile.

The CBP FY 2006 (that y'all bitch about) contains $36.9 million for the addition of 210 Border Patrol Agents. Do the math, that comes out to over $175,000 per border guard.

All the facts can be verified at http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/home.xml

Apparently you have been getting your information from less than reputable sources.

[bayourod]

1200 border guards shoul read 10,200.

[Ajnin]

You are wrong. There not 10,000 Border Patrol Agents Patrolling the Mexican border. There are a combined total of 10,000 agents on the Canadian and Mexican borders working three shifts. That is in addition to all the ancillary activities such as management, BORSTAR, SRT, Intelligence, Prosecutiuons, Seizures, etc. There are not five agents per mile patrolling the border.