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Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants
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Posted on 03/02/2005 9:38:45 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

By: EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer

A bill recently introduced in Congress would deny U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants. Supporters said the bill, called the Citizenship Reform Act of 2005, would be a good way to control the number of people who have the right to claim citizenship ---- and the rights and benefits that come with it. Opponents said the measure was "extreme" and would be likely to face constitutional challenges.

An estimated 200,000 to 300,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the United States each year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, a policy and research group that advocates for stricter immigration controls.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that also supports stricter policies, estimated that California spends about $7.7 billion each year to educate about 1 million children of illegal immigrants.

"Citizenship means you have some stake in this country; it's not just an accident of geography," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman of the federation, which supports the measure.

However, immigrant-rights groups say that citizenship is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress.

"Citizenship belongs to a person wherever they are born," said Katherine Cullion, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, a Latino rights group. "The most basic, fundamental right is the right to citizenship in the country where you were born."

Advocates for and against the measure, which has surfaced in various forms before, said the bill is unlikely to go far in Congress. The bill is now in the House Judiciary Committee. No hearing on the bill has been scheduled.

"This is really a perennial bill; it comes up each spring," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant-rights advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. "It gets a handful of co-sponsors and never sees the light of day."

If enacted, the bill would stipulate that children born in the United States would be considered American citizens only if born to parents who are citizens or legal residents living in the country. Under current law, any children born in the country can claim American citizenship.

The bill was introduced last month by Georgia Republican Rep. Nathan Deal and was co-sponsored by 16 other representatives, including Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach; Rep. Gary Miller, R-Diamond Bar; and Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado.

Anti-illegal immigrant groups, such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform, say immigration, legal and illegal, is largely responsible for a population explosion that could lead to unprecedented social, economic and environmental problems.

"Massive population growth has and will continue to have a profound impact on the lives of all Americans," said Dan Stein, president of the federation. The group released a study this week that indicated more than half of the nation's population growth over the last 35 years is due to immigration.

However, Steven Camarota, the Center for Immigration Studies' director of research, said the citizenship bill itself will not solve the nation's illegal immigration problem. Without immigration enforcement elsewhere, such as at the border and at work sites, denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would only make the number of illegal immigrants grow.

"By itself, it doesn't move the ball forward very much, if at all," Camarota said.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; anchor; anchorbaby; citizenship; congress; illegalmigrant; illegals; immigration; immigrationreform; mexico; migrant; scotus
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To: Melas
The clause was written to exclude guests of state, typically diplomats who enjoy immunity and are not subject to our laws.

It also excluded Native Americans at the time even though they are subject to our laws. Only after Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 was it made otherwise (not based on a judicial decision). If the Amendment can be read to exclude Native Americans, then it can be read to exclude illegals. If Congress can change the status if the children of Native Americans, then it can change the status of the children of illegals.

201 posted on 03/02/2005 4:40:53 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Melas
Illegals aren't, either. Think I-L-L-E-G-A-L.

The original intent http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/6042.htm

202 posted on 03/02/2005 4:41:02 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Melas
Everyone inside our boders is subject to our laws.

If that is true then why are illegal aliens not imprisoned for violating immigration law? They are simply deported back to their country of origin much like a diplomat who breaks a law.

203 posted on 03/02/2005 4:42:56 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Dog Gone

so to which country to you pledge alliegence?

and the Mexican gov't has a loophole in that they do not issue birth certificates for "everyone born here is Mexican" unless they want to


204 posted on 03/02/2005 4:45:33 PM PST by chemainus
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To: FreedomCalls

Actually some are locked for repeated border crossings.


205 posted on 03/02/2005 4:47:44 PM PST by Melas
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To: advance_copy; farmfriend
"The bad news is SCOTUS will shoot it down if it passes."

Not likely; this is in an area where congress has full authority. It is a natural, since it relates to a criminal violation of out borders.

206 posted on 03/02/2005 4:48:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: stevio
I read an article about New Jersey illegals that had been caught and had to leave with their 11 yr old daughter, even though the daughter was born here.
I read that sob story. I am sure they would be just as unhappy uf our government told them she can stay. But they still have to go. ?They only have themselves to blame for the situation. It's like the sob stories about the "poor illegaLS" who are caught stealing identities.
207 posted on 03/02/2005 4:50:28 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: monkeywrench
Wrong, the Texas prisons are full of illegals who've broken the law. Why are they in prison? Because they broke the law, the were tried, convicted and punished. That what we call "subjec to the law". Say it with me, "sub-ject to the law". See I knew you could.

A diplomat or child of a diplomat on the other hand does NOT go to jail for possession (example as the most common offense illegals are locked up for in Texas) but instead gets a free ride home. Ditto for auto theft, shoplifting, DUI, etc etc. They are NOT subject to our laws.

208 posted on 03/02/2005 4:50:33 PM PST by Melas
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To: chemainus
so to which country to you pledge alliegence?

Let's think hard about this. My parents are Americans. I was born in America.

If you can give me one plausible reason why you are suggesting that I pledge allegiance to Mexico, I'll be surprised.

209 posted on 03/02/2005 4:50:36 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: EagleMamaMT
Thanks for the compliment :)


210 posted on 03/02/2005 4:51:05 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: FreedomCalls

I simply cannot believe the backflips to twist the constitution in this thread. If this is what it means to be a conservative these days, count me out. I want no part of it. I'm sickened by this whole mess.


211 posted on 03/02/2005 4:51:46 PM PST by Melas
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To: FreedomCalls

You must no something I don't. Last I saw, Medellin v. Dretke hadn't been heard by SCOTUS yet. The last disposition I saw was that Medellin's claim was DENIED by the 5th CC, and the appeal to SCOTUS was as of yet unheard.


212 posted on 03/02/2005 4:56:12 PM PST by Melas
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To: EagleMamaMT; unixfox; chemainus; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; ...
"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California."
~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this."
~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.

"Mexico extends beyond its borders."
~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001

"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe."
~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998

"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' "
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.

"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group."
~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.

"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848."
~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.

213 posted on 03/02/2005 4:57:34 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Melas
I simply cannot believe the backflips to twist the constitution in this thread. If this is what it means to be a conservative these days, count me out. I want no part of it. I'm sickened by this whole mess.

So there's no constitutional twisting on the liberal side?

214 posted on 03/02/2005 5:03:28 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Dog Gone
Could you find a link for the Mexican legal code written in English that states that foreigners born there are naturalized citizens and also qualify for dual citizenship if their parents are non-citizens?
215 posted on 03/02/2005 5:04:12 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: FreedomCalls
So there's no constitutional twisting on the liberal side?

What does that have to do with it? Of course there is twisting on the liberal side, but since when are we taking advice from liberals? As childlike as it may seem, I'll forever be indebted to my parents for teaching me that two wrongs never make a right.

216 posted on 03/02/2005 5:14:09 PM PST by Melas
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To: Happy2BMe
I probably could, but my brothers have both US and Mexican passports which I've seen. Besides, this isn't the first time this question has been asked on a thread here.

Read this page from the US Consulate in Mexico.

217 posted on 03/02/2005 5:16:27 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Thank you.

#218

219 posted on 03/02/2005 5:23:12 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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To: Elmer Piddlestone
Can we possibly get a link for the source of that (precedent) legislation?

(See #217)

220 posted on 03/02/2005 5:24:17 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Government is not the solution to our problem, government *IS* the problem.)
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