Posted on 03/01/2005 12:44:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner
ALLOUEZ, Wis. - Norm Watermolen has no plans to take down the Confederate flag he flies outside his shopping center, despite angry phone calls, letters and two thefts of flags.
The American history enthusiast said the replica flag, which flies alongside 17 historically significant flags, is an important part of the country's history, regardless of its association with the Ku Klux Klan and the effort to deny civil rights to blacks.
"I just don't see what all the trouble is," said Watermolen, 78. "Just because somebody decided years ago that it represented the Ku Klux Klan, and to some people in the South and here, it still does. But it's a significant part of our history, one that should be remembered."
Rita Drewieske, of Allouez, disagrees.
"I just find it so offensive," said Drewieske, whose daughter is black. "The flag keeps being taken, so I must not be the only one offended by it."
Watermolen created a flag plaza to display his collection of 18 historically significant flags at his Heritage Village Shoppes, an historically themed retail center. Twenty others at the center represent nations whose people immigrated to Brown County in the early 20th century.
After the second theft, he had the flag reinstalled with a hydraulic lift and padlocked, so it can't be taken unless someone shimmies up the pole and snatches it.
Ken Calewarts, who talked to Watermolen and wrote him a letter, said he had to complain about the flag to show his three children to speak up about things that are important to them.
Watermolen "legally has the right to fly the flag on his own property, and I agree with that. I don't think he's promoting (racism), but I think he's misguided. If he wants to make a statement of American history, I would respect him more if he flew it in front of his own home rather than in my neighborhood," said Calewarts, who is the Allouez village attorney, but spoke as a private citizen.
David Voelker, associate professor of humanistic studies and history at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay, said when it was created, the Confederate flag was a symbol for a new nation the Southern states created when they seceded from the United States.
"They were certainly seceding in order to protect what they saw as states' rights, so there's no question there was that political principle at stake," Voelker said. "People have used the Confederate flag as a symbol of both slavery and racism. But historically people have used it as a symbol of states' rights - a symbol of pride in the independence of particular states. A freedom from oppression by a strong central government."
But Voelker said their number one concern was still slavery.
"They wanted to protect the institution of slavery, and they felt that the election of (President) Lincoln was a potential threat to the future of slavery," he said.
Peter Kellogg, chairman of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the version of the Confederate flag typically flown now was not widely used until the 1950s and 1960s, when opposition to school desegregation peaked.
"Therefore its modern use is definitely a symbol of a fight against equal rights for black people. So it is fair to say it is a symbol of racism," Kellogg said.
But Audrey Thiry, who plans to move her salon and a gift shop into Heritage Village at the end of April, said she and her customers aren't concerned about the flag flap.
"Norm (Watermolen) is absolutely not a racist. He is a historian; he is fond of our history," she said. "My clients are thrilled that we are moving into 'the nice mall, the one with the flags.'"
i fly the 3rd NATIONAL 24/365 under lights at both home & worksite.
free dixie,sw
Didn't you write a book about this sort of thing Rusty?
I'm shocked and offended....you forgot ME! :)
The offended folks in Wisconsin are well north of that line.
Seems to me you learned NOTHING about Stonewall Jackson, if you feel that way.
Thanks for putting things into perspective. Unfortunately, there's a whole industry that specializes in justifying what would otherwise be the bizarre personal whim of an eccentric.
It's also laughable how people who want others to see this particular cause in the most positive light are so quick to pile on and attack the entire state of Wisconsin because someone there complained about this flag. That's not likely to win many converts in the Badger State or to impress the uncommitted with the capacity of some people in the pro-flag camp for drawing the kind of complicated moral distinctions that they want others to make.
I am offended that YOU want to deny the man in Wisconsin his freedom of speech and his property rights.... those freedoms that so many of us have served in the US Military to protect over the past 200 plus years!!
Your ignorance simply knows no limit. How in the hell did you EVER manage to land a job as a tourguide in General Jackson's home with such a narrow-minded view? To compare the flag of MY ancestors to Nazi, or Iraqi, etc. flag is just ridiculous. They need to sanatize the whole house....
UNBELIEVABLE!
LOL!!
BTTT!!!!!!
Saying that I sympathize with people who are offended by this man's actions is a far cry from advocating government prohibition of this man's ability to fly his flag. Please keep your words out of my mouth.
Sorry bout that - it's all better now
What kind of jackass flies a Confederate flag in one of the most Pro-Union Civil Wat States?
I guess no Southerners are upset by the statue of Lincoln in Richmond, either.
I try not to feed the trolls.
If people want to gripe about flags, let them gripe about the fact that there are as many Mexico flags flying in South Texas as there are American flags.
I've wondered about that, too. I've seen a few TV commercials that had the General Lee, & it's always been placed on top of a car hauler so the Stars & Bars can't be seen....will they eventually paint it over???
We are not talking about a statue. The guy is flying a flag in a strictly historical context on PRIVATE property. That abomination in Richmond is on PUBLIC PROPERTY.
ROFL
Amen to that brother....I get even. I fly the ALAMO flag during March, and Cinco de Mayo :)
You are such a LIBERAL SYMPATHY WUSS, that I am amazed you have the nerve to post on a CONSERVATIVE SITE.
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