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To: OXENinFLA
I don't know where I stand. As long as 18 year old and under are treated differently by insurance companies, colleges, and alcohol, but are allowed to go to war as well as be targets by big lender organizations... well screw it- Until there is some kind of parody then they should be treated differently.
10 posted on 03/01/2005 10:50:44 AM PST by Porterville (Down with politicians.... Down with Judicial Fiat)
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To: Porterville

When some 16 year old kid pulls out a gun, a knife, a coathanger and pliars, and your wife, daughter or mom are involved, you'll get religion on this subject.


18 posted on 03/01/2005 10:56:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Porterville

Gee THAT is what I was TRYING to say. YOu said it in a sentence or two! Good going!


24 posted on 03/01/2005 10:58:31 AM PST by buffyt (If it is important to protect people from a local crime - what about an entire nation?)
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To: Porterville
Until there is some kind of parody

Parody: A mocking imitation of the style of a literary work or works which ridicules the stylistic habits of an author or school of writers by exaggerated mimicry.

27 posted on 03/01/2005 10:59:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Porterville
Until there is some kind of parody then they should be treated differently.

The whole point is, this should be a state issue. The USSC should not be using international "standards" to legislate morality.

41 posted on 03/01/2005 11:08:36 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Porterville
I don't know where I stand.

Not all under 18 are tried in an Adult court

That is decided on a case by case bases and the type of crime committed and not all states have the death penalty

The Supreme Court today just took that right of the States away

59 posted on 03/01/2005 11:17:51 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Porterville

Parody? How's that again? Perhaps you meant "parity." Sorry, grammar and spelling police again!


104 posted on 03/01/2005 12:32:57 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Spell checkers are our friends.)
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To: Porterville
Well, here's what Justice Scalia says about that:

"That "almost every State prohibits those under 18 years of age from voting, serving on juries, or marrying without parental consent," ante, at 15, is patently irrelevant--and is yet another resurrection of an argument that this Court gave a decent burial in Stanford. (What kind of Equal Justice under Law is it that--without so much as a "Sorry about that"--gives as the basis for sparing one person from execution arguments explicitly rejected in refusing to spare another?)

As we explained in Stanford, 492 U. S., at 374, it is "absurd to think that one must be mature enough to drive carefully, to drink responsibly, or to vote intelligently, in order to be mature enough to understand that murdering another human being is profoundly wrong, and to conform one's conduct to that most minimal of all civilized standards." Serving on a jury or entering into marriage also involve decisions far more sophisticated than the simple decision not to take another's life.

143 posted on 03/01/2005 5:25:37 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Porterville

"till there is some sort of parody..." believe me, there is parody. It can be seen in the acts of this sublimely arrogant SC and their mincing affectation of European elites, whose supposedly greater appreciation of cultural matters they supplant our Constitution with. It is a parody of justice and a parody of our Constitution. In fact, they are a farcical act and a parody of US Supreme Court Justices.

If you mean parity in the case of youthful offenders, as I believe you do, please leave something to the state legislatures, duly elected by the people. There are sixteen year olds and sixteen year olds with a difference. Let the people decide, not 5---FIVE--self aggrandizing SCs who think they are Royals.

The fact they were mostly appointed by Republicans just shows how the party is infected by RINOS.

Does anyone know the other dissenter---Scalia, Thomas, Renquist, and.....?

vaudine


145 posted on 03/01/2005 5:41:02 PM PST by vaudine
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To: Porterville

Not executing a 16-year-old murderer is okay, though I think it is probably better to execute them. But the Supreme Court decision today was OUTRAGEOUS. Everything conservatives have said about judicial activism for 30-40 years was on display today. Read Scalia's dissent.


163 posted on 03/01/2005 7:37:44 PM PST by guitarist
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To: Porterville
Until there is some kind of parody then they should be treated differently.

I know you meant "parity", but there is a parody of law today -- it's called the Supreme Court.

200 posted on 03/02/2005 6:28:49 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Porterville
Until there is some kind of parody then they should be treated differently.

The word is parity not parody. Also, each individual should be treated on a case by case basis and that includes teens. The insurance, credit card companies, and military do. Let the judges, juries, governors, appellate judges and POTUS decide each case including teens on a case by case basis. Only alcohol is forbidden to teens.

203 posted on 03/02/2005 7:31:42 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Porterville
Part of the problem is that this is all inconsistent and arbitrary. All people < 18 are not equal but that is where the line has been drawn for now. What makes this different is that this is not just the prosecution of a crime, it is the prosecution of the only crime that ends all the rights of the victims. That is why under 18 requires scrutiny. To get to mu point on inconsistent, girls under 18 are deemed to have the metal faculties to abort their unborn children. How is it that they are mature enough for that, but not mature enough to understand murder?
229 posted on 03/02/2005 1:24:51 PM PST by jrestrepo
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To: Porterville
I don't know where I stand. As long as 18 year old and under are treated differently by insurance companies, colleges, and alcohol, but are allowed to go to war as well as be targets by big lender organizations... well screw it- Until there is some kind of parody then they should be treated differently.

But those other differences are mostly differences determined by state legislatures, and reflect differing judgments at different times and in different places. Regardless of how one feels about the imposition of the death penalty for <18 year olds, the matter is one for state legislatures, or the people of the several states through various extra legislative methods, to determine. It's not something for a bare majority of old geezers in black robes to decide for everyone.

Notice that even Justice O'Connor in her dissent says that the Constitution can be changed by methods other than the amendment process. She just doesn't think that that a "consensus" has formed over this issue. A very dangerous idea that is, but it is accepted by *at least* six of the nine Justices. If such a nationwide consensus had formed, there would be no problem in getting state laws and/or Constitutions changed to reflect it.

259 posted on 03/04/2005 2:26:43 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Porterville
There are far too many posts to read as I am leaving work in ten minutes. But I would reply to yours. It is not the decision but how it was reached. That is important. The courts have completely overstepped the bounds by which they were designed. They now openly refer to foreign law and standards. In speeches they openly admit and state that international law should influence our laws.
This is a cause for outrage. You can be against the death penalty or for it. This is a cause for outrage. If there is any hope for American law, Scalia becomes chief justice and we appoint enough real judges to start to reverse the damage they are causing.
270 posted on 03/04/2005 10:02:12 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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