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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ
The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.
The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.
The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.
This report will be updated as details become available.
Sure, eliminating the criminal has some advantages, but it also cheapens life, which not so obviously seen, is the problem underlying the issue.IMO.
This is the answer that I came up with after much wrestling with the subject.
To some, it may seem too simple.
But answers to complex social problems, usually are, as I have discovered
...miserably poor decision based on feeling rather then fact. And so called international law was referenced to add insult to injury. We're all now at higher risk to violence from the hiphop rapper gang bangers who use murder as initiation and now have a court approved open season on all of us. Yet another example of liberal feel good policies forced on all of us...from the bench. And no doubt law enforcemnt will have a tough time with this reckless decision as well. Any doubt that some of these "problems" will be simply delt with at the street level instead of the near worthless courts??
I disagree. I believe the death penalty shows the graveness of taking the life of another. It is so serious that you pay for doing it with your own life.
I came to my conclusions shortly after the rash of school shootings and gang banger slaughter.(used to be they used less lethal tools)
This seems related to a blatant disregard for life, with absolutely no consideration of losing their own.
It is as if they value life like they would value a dead cat on the street. It means nothing to them, and this is a relatively new symptom of something much bigger.IMO.
So, I started looking for cause and effect. Some say it is video games, but who created the game and why did they not show any regard for life in their plots? TV, Movies.......all the same it seems. Add abortion to the mix, and Dr. Kevorkian.
It is a mirror into something that has changed in the last 50 years. I am trying to find the reason why.
More than likely these young murderers killed tose dead cats in the streets. They merely had to keep increaseing the thrill, the risk, the danger.
I came to my conclusions shortly after the rash of school shootings and gang banger slaughter.(used to be they used less lethal tools)
Got any stats to support that conclusion?
You mean like these "less lethal tools"?
Jenny was strangled with the belt of Sean O'Brien, with two murderers pulling, one on each side, until the belt broke. Part of the belt was left at the murder scene, the rest was found in O'Brien's home. After the belt broke, the killers used her own shoelaces to finish their job.
ANY tool can be lethal if you choose to make it so.
BOOMERANG ALERT!!!
My Dear Sweet Senator Schumer,
How about the fact that most of western Europe PAYS their pastors with tax monies? And the Europeans like it. Even in "secular" France, it's done in Alsace and Lorrainne. Obviously we must consider their experience and abandon a rigid interpretation on the 1st amendment and make some allowance for bible reading and prayer in public schools.
And only a handful of countries allow abortions as easily as the US. International consensus surely leads us to take a view more sympathetic to the suffering unborn.
And, why is America the ONLY nation that allows a $260 billion "Sue-the-Doctors" industry to cripple medical access? Surely we must take into account the the very dim view the international consensus takes on these legal shenanigans.
Regards, Justin Wundrin ---------------- Could someone explain this to Chuckie? I would deliver this message to Schumer myself, but I'm afraid of dogbite. Plus he already ate Ken Salazar's brain. Who knows who the next victim might be?
Did any of the 5 write an alternate opinion? Did they all endorse the international shopping spree as a proper legal approach? Egads. We have such short-sighted morons in the robes. Or is this intentional?
Sure it can, but let's leave that and look at time.
Gangs have always been a part of urban culture.
I have not stats, nor do I need any to show that although gang violence has been a staple of the theme, it's not always been as lethal. The objectives have changed over time. It was once enough for most to inflict serious injury, not execution.
Anecdotally you can find instances to the contrary, but you cannot ignore the change in the gang culture. Or some of the other changes that I have mentioned that are post depression.
Yes, murder rates are down recently, but that reflects better economic circumstances and some other successes.
It's my belief that government often causes unintended results when it tries to control social ills.
I think we can make a case that this has indeed happened. It is certainly well worth posing this argument.
Unfortunately for me, I may be a bit ahead of the curve on this. But I take that risk responsibly.
They are right..it says there right in the Constitution...er..wait a minute I thought???...I dont see it...??? ....never mind. Ignance is bliss I guess.
And so can you tell me what Christ said about life in prison without opportunity for parole?
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
This I know, but since when is executing a 17yo murderer "cruel and unusual"?
The answer is "When 5 Supreme Court justices flaut the will of the voting public with fabricated new rights never before seen in the Constitution."
How about pro-innocent?
They used a case that sucked, foreign opinions and then stretched remarkably to the 8th amendment.
All of which should not be their purview.
I know where I am on this, and I am no fool.
Yes, I know. Thanks for taking the time to write, though. At least you presented your thoughts in a less-than-atagonistic way.
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These guys will get mixed in with non-violent offenders in prison and likely will kill again.
Just set the page to not load the graphics.
What can be more cruel than killing someone? How is it not unusual when so many states ban the execution of minors?
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