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Cows hold grudges, say scientists
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Posted on 02/28/2005 8:03:26 AM PST by yankeedame

Cows hold grudges, say scientists

By Jonathan Leake
February 28, 2005

ONCE they were a byword for mindless docility. But cows have a complex mental life in which they bear grudges, nurture friendships and become excited by intellectual challenges, researchers have found.

Cows are capable of strong emotions such as pain, fear and even anxiety about the future. But if farmers provide the right conditions, they can also feel great happiness.

The findings have emerged from studies of farm animals that have found similar traits in pigs, goats and chickens. They suggest such animals may be so emotionally similar to humans that welfare laws need to be reconsidered.

The research will be presented to a conference in London next month sponsored by animal welfare group Compassion in World Farming.

Christine Nicol, professor of animal welfare at Britain's Bristol University, said even chickens might have to be treated as individuals with needs and problems.

"Remarkable cognitive abilities and cultural innovations have been revealed," she said. "Our challenge is to teach others that every animal we intend to eat or use is a complex individual, and to adjust our farming culture accordingly."

Her colleague John Webster added: "People have assumed intelligence is linked to the ability to suffer, and that because animals have smaller brains they suffer less than humans. That is a pathetic piece of logic."

The Bristol researchers have documented how cows within a herd form friendship groups of between two and four animals with whom they spend most of their time, often grooming and licking each other. They will also dislike other cows, and can bear grudges for months or years.

Donald Broom, professor of animal welfare at Cambridge University, will tell the conference how cows can become excited by solving intellectual challenges.

In one study, researchers challenged the animals with a task where they had to find how to open a door to get some food. An electroencephalograph was used to measure their brainwaves.

"The brainwaves showed their excitement; their heartbeat went up and some even jumped into the air. We called it their Eureka moment," Professor Broom said.

The assumption that farm animals cannot suffer from conditions that would be intolerable for humans is partly based on the idea they have no sense of self. Latest research suggests this is untrue.

"Sentient animals have the capacity to experience pleasure and are motivated to seek it," Professor Webster said.

"You only have to watch how cows and lambs both seek and enjoy pleasure when they lie with their heads raised to the sun on a perfect English summer's day. Just like humans."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animals; babsstreisand; eatmorechicken; moo; starjones
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To: yankeedame
Cows hold grudges, say scientists

They are women, after all; so this is a surprise?

61 posted on 02/28/2005 9:49:34 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: boris

--not quite as famous as Paul Bunyan, but just as true--


62 posted on 02/28/2005 9:58:47 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Graycliff

Umm, cows, by definition, have no "snutzs" to cut off. But, I'm fairly certain that bulls and, especially steer, hold grudges, too...


63 posted on 02/28/2005 10:49:55 AM PST by green pastures
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To: Tao Yin
Do happy cows taste better?

Not sure about that, but Carnation always claimed their milk came from contented cows.

64 posted on 02/28/2005 11:14:46 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: yankeedame

Guess cow tippers have something else to worry about now.....


65 posted on 02/28/2005 11:17:07 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: yankeedame

66 posted on 02/28/2005 11:19:24 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: green pastures
OK,OK, you got me there. Was speaking in general.

Always a smarty pants in the crowd. LOL OK, Whats a poled Hereford? Careful with your answer, might get this thread shutdown.
67 posted on 02/28/2005 11:22:09 AM PST by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: tiamat
I personally think India is insane for NOT eating the cows.

If they ate the cows, where would they get the milk to feed the temple rats?

68 posted on 02/28/2005 11:26:32 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: Graycliff

Yeah, that's my full screen name-- green "smarty pants" pastures. But it gets a little long...

Always thought it was Polled Herefords, and those would be the Herefords that voted in November, who were directly responsible for throwing off the exit polls.

Of course, when these Herefords get stuck in traffic, they're unable to honk their respective horns as they have none.

(Careful enough?)

;-)


69 posted on 02/28/2005 12:04:03 PM PST by green pastures
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To: ApplegateRanch

Hadn't considered that.

Saw a guy who was on Fox (yesterday I think) who had written a book about the worst jobs you could have.

Somewhere in the top 50 was Rat Catcher In India.

What a career! For 25 rats, you too could be paid a bounty of one British Pound.

The author did NOT mention if the Rat Catcher gets to consume his victims.


70 posted on 02/28/2005 12:05:35 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Larry Lucido wrote:


So, what do you have to do to piss off a llama? Make a comment about his neck?




Nah.... make fun of his pouty llama llips!

Or threaten to make Llama Llasagna!

:-)

Seriously,


Depnds on the llama.

In the case of the one my daughter trains, grooming him or trying to get him into a halter will do the trick.

He doesn't like me AT ALL.

Of course, I was the Bad Person who held him during the Gelding Party...So i guess I can understand why he'd be upset!


71 posted on 02/28/2005 12:10:09 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: green pastures

Your on a roll today.


72 posted on 02/28/2005 12:10:25 PM PST by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: yankeedame
Naw. The way I see it if God didn't want us to eat animals He wouldn't have given us BBQ sauce.

Spoken like a true creationist. You assume God is necessary for the creation of BBQ sauce. I say man did it.

Man made barbecue sauce. Man invented barbecue, too! We didn't need some old guy floating in the sky to figure out how to slow-roast a pig. Think about it, and free your mind. </parody>

73 posted on 02/28/2005 12:16:06 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: yankeedame
They better watch out for these cows Cows With Guns
74 posted on 02/28/2005 12:56:23 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: corlorde

I like my grudge rare.


75 posted on 02/28/2005 12:58:01 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: yankeedame
I'm guessing they've been watching too much South Park.


76 posted on 02/28/2005 4:10:49 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I like my grudge rare....w/ 57 sauce. can we now, buy it. ..the election is over. :^)
77 posted on 02/28/2005 8:34:14 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Rightly Biased
I was wondering about the combination of these stories. Since cows have memory and complex thoughts as well as emotions, the man could claim that "cows are just like people so I really didn't have sex with an animal." Since he had sex with calfs actually, young cows, is this considered "quadra-pedophelia?"

In an effort to quell the obvious cries from PETA, the supreme court should immediately rule that 'since it would be too difficult to criminalize people eating cows, in an effort to show fairness, it is legal for cows, in turn, to eat people.' They may purchase land in in order to herd the people, and contract out with any fast food chain to sell their product. Since they're so smart, they shouldn't have any trouble starting such a bold venture. It is also illegal for anyone to show outward bias or racist behavior against the cows since they are the newest minority group and protected under the civil rights amendments. They are also now eligible for welfare and other forms of government assistance as well as Socialist Security. This will of course add a new burden to the system thus accentuating the need for reforms in the system. "Cow" and "Heiffer" are now considered to be racial slurs and politically incorrect. They shall now be referred to as "uddered-Americans" or "Bovine-American."

sorry, I kind of went off there.

78 posted on 03/01/2005 6:55:34 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: Little Pig

I don't know about emotions, but they certainly have intraspecies relationships--"pecking order"!

I had a pet chicken when I was young. My mom was kind enough to leave her out of the stew pot even when she didn't lay many eggs, but some critter got her eventually. I do remember the lesson of my mother explaining gently that she was "just a chicken" when the hen pecked me once and I couldn't figure out why.

I can say scrub chickens are a lot smarter than the incubator-raised breeds.


79 posted on 03/07/2005 4:46:06 PM PST by Callirhoe
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To: yankeedame
Cows hold grudges, say scientists

P'haps.

(copping Noo Yawk attitude and accent) But whadda dey gonna do abouddit, hah???

80 posted on 03/07/2005 4:48:21 PM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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