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High Schools Are 1.0 in a 5.0 World(Obsolete), (Bill)Gates Says
LA Times via Yahoo News ^ | February 27, 2005 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

Posted on 02/27/2005 11:34:56 PM PST by The Loan Arranger

WASHINGTON — Addressing the nation's governors, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates (news - web sites) delivered a scathing critique of U.S. high schools Saturday, calling them obsolete and saying that elected officials should be ashamed of a system that leaves millions of students unprepared for college and for technical jobs.

Gates was speaking as the invited guest of some of the nation's most powerful elected officials, at a National Governors Assn. meeting devoted to improving high school education across the country.

"Training the workforce of tomorrow with today's high schools is like trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year-old mainframe," said Gates, whose $27-billion Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (news - web sites) has made education one of its priorities.

"Everyone who understands the importance of education, everyone who believes in equal opportunity, everyone who has been elected to uphold the obligations of public office should be ashamed that we are breaking our promises of a free education for millions of students," added Gates, to strong applause.

Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, chairman of the nonpartisan association, said high school education was in need of an overhaul to raise standards and to closely align instruction with the requirements of colleges and employers.

"It is imperative that we make reform of the American high school a national priority," Warner, a Democrat, said.

The governors' winter meeting coincides with a push by President Bush to extend elements of his No Child Left Behind initiative from the primary grades to the high school level.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billgates; bush; education; hseducation; markwarner; microsoft; nclb; nga; nochildleftbehind
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Okay, Bill, then get behind vouchers! Bet you won't!
1 posted on 02/27/2005 11:34:56 PM PST by The Loan Arranger
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To: The Loan Arranger
He wants more taxes and more money, probably against testing and teacher testing. He is a liberal because he is the richest man in the world.

Remind your Democrat friends of that when they talk about Republicans being for the rich. Soros, Kerry, Turner et al.

2 posted on 02/27/2005 11:38:22 PM PST by GeronL (Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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To: The Loan Arranger

this is not breaking news either, similar stories were posted last night from different sources.


3 posted on 02/27/2005 11:38:52 PM PST by GeronL (Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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To: The Loan Arranger
"The problems are unions in the schools. The problem is bureaucracy. I'm one of these people who believes the best thing we could ever do is go to the full voucher system." - Steve Jobs

4 posted on 02/27/2005 11:40:54 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Gates' highest degree is from high school.


5 posted on 02/27/2005 11:46:00 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: sarah_f

Bill Gates went to Lakeside High School in N Seattle...the most elite HS in the state.


6 posted on 02/28/2005 12:02:51 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: The Loan Arranger

High school should be eliminated. School should be compulsory only throught the 8th grade (all that we need to teach can be compressed into 8 years of school if all the fluff is taken out). After grade 8 kids could enroll in higher education, trade or technical school, or simply enter the workforce. (This would also help the SS system by puting more workers into the system sooner).


7 posted on 02/28/2005 1:25:04 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: The Loan Arranger

Oh he's probably right on many things. But with outsourcing, offshoring, and illegal immigration, does he really have any idea how futile things can look to kids these days?


8 posted on 02/28/2005 1:27:06 AM PST by risk
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To: The Loan Arranger
Just imagine the wonders one can do with a banana and a condom.
9 posted on 02/28/2005 2:11:55 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: The Loan Arranger

I agree with his comments, but he's not offering any solutions. I think all education should be run by corporations. Imagine wanting a job with Verizon because "Verizon High School" has a great computer science curriculum. Let corporations compete with each other for our cash and our children. If we don't like what Verizon H.S. is teaching our kids, we move them to AT&T High School. Or wherever.


10 posted on 02/28/2005 2:23:47 AM PST by mudblood
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To: The Loan Arranger

"...and for technical jobs".

I imagine this is what he is really after. Something more like the old(?) Soviet style of figuring out what a kid is good at at a young age and then pigeonholing the kid into a career at the age of 15. Just like the automontrons that many countries put out - and that ours is leaning to. What - Johnny can't concentrate on his studies - have him take these pills and he'll start to fit in (CONFORM) just fine.


11 posted on 02/28/2005 2:31:06 AM PST by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: The Loan Arranger
"Only a fraction of our kids are getting the best education," Gates said. "Once we realize that we are keeping low-income and minority kids out of the rigorous courses, there can only be two arguments for keeping it that way: Either we think they can't learn, or we think they're not worth teaching....

Gates called for a new design for American high schools, based on smaller schools with higher standards for math and language proficiency, instruction that is relevant to students' goals in life and better support from teachers and counselors....

He also called for a get-tough approach toward schools that fail. "When the students don't learn, the school must change."

Glad I read the whole article. Gates is talking some sense here, although I wish he's come all the way over to vouchers.

Since his foundation is spending big bucks on scholarships and other educational initiatives, Gates is probably on record with a much fuller educational agenda. In this article, he's advocating smaller schools, academic rigor, and greater relevance to "life goals." The first two points, most of us would agree with. "Life goals" raises some red flags. I wonder where he comes down on early high stakes testing, early tracking, and vocationalism vs. a broad liberal education. The devil's in the details.

12 posted on 02/28/2005 2:52:17 AM PST by sphinx
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should be ashamed that we are breaking our promises

Yeah - hold on there, Mr. Chicoms-good-for-future, let-Rossi-burn Gates. As someone else said, when would a lib like Gates ever support vouchers, which can work amazingly well - and quickly?

The schools can work. Vouchers are used to move from one sort - to another. The ones that don't work tend to be NEA, certified, official and entirely liberal. They do indoctrinate. Those kids do learn things. But do we really want NEA-indoctrinated Dem-voting drones working at Microsoft? or rather real people with what used to be called a liberal education going to Gates and Ballmer and whoever else and saying - not today, not this way, people will be harmed if we do this, or fail to do that. Microsoft could use a whole bunch more like that. They need educated folk, not tunnel-vision technicians. You can always school a techie. It takes something else to teach citizenship.

13 posted on 02/28/2005 3:07:10 AM PST by sevry
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"The problems are unions in the schools. The problem is bureaucracy..."

These are only part of the problem; according to my teacher pals, the biggest problem is parents who just do not care about their kids' education. Parents who never come to teacher conferences; parents who just don't care about their kids.

Changing this attitude is a lot more difficult than making the obvious institutional changes that are necessary.

14 posted on 02/28/2005 4:03:43 AM PST by Cuttnhorse (Keep skunks and lawers at a distance.)
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I agree. When it gets right down to it, a maxim that I was taught in the Army National Guard as a young lieutenant in the 1960's still applies..."A unit does best, that which the Commander inspects!"

The same applies to schools..."Teachers do best, that which the parents emphasize!"

We take an active interest in our son's education, keeping in close contact with his teachers. As a result, his grades are up significantly and he is more importantly, learning! Too many parents see school as day care while they are left free to "self-realize". School are not day care, any more than the BSA stands for "Baby Sitters of America.

Parents better wake up and realize that the most important job they will ever, ever have is that of raising their child!

15 posted on 02/28/2005 4:15:28 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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To: The Loan Arranger
ASHINGTON — Addressing the nation's governors, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates (news - web sites) delivered a scathing critique of U.S. high schools Saturday, calling them obsolete and saying that elected officials should be ashamed of a system that leaves millions of students unprepared for college

Earth to Gates: College is obsolete too.

16 posted on 02/28/2005 4:26:47 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: The Loan Arranger
High Schools Are 1.0 in a 5.0 World

Is he comparing something like the difference of Windows version 1.0 with advanced versions? Mainframe? It has been years since the last time I heard that term.
17 posted on 02/28/2005 4:27:41 AM PST by Wiz
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To: The Loan Arranger
Everyone who understands the importance of education, everyone who believes in equal opportunity, everyone who has been elected to uphold the obligations of public office should be ashamed that we are breaking our promises of a free education for millions of students," added Gates, to strong applause.

Kind of like free socialist security and free health care, eh Bill? You're not very good at root causes are you?

18 posted on 02/28/2005 4:31:20 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Lorianne

I found you ! I thought I was the only one in this world who thinks this way. By ending minimum wage, permitting ninth graders to go to trade schools or further their educations, we will get the cream. And we will get workers instead of the dross we have now.


19 posted on 02/28/2005 4:34:17 AM PST by mlmr (The Majority of the Murders Committed Worldwide have been Committed by Leftist Governments..........)
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To: Cuttnhorse

These are only part of the problem; according to my teacher pals, the biggest problem is parents who just do not care about their kids' education. Parents who never come to teacher conferences; parents who just don't care about their kids.

Changing this attitude is a lot more difficult than making the obvious institutional changes that are necessary.


It is not the state's job to make parents care about their children's future. Nor is it the job of the state to take the place of parents. The parents you get are the luck of the draw.


20 posted on 02/28/2005 4:38:25 AM PST by mlmr (The Majority of the Murders Committed Worldwide have been Committed by Leftist Governments..........)
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