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Grounded: Millionaire John Gilmore stays close to home while making a point about privacy
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Sunday, Feb. 27, 2005 | Dennis Roddy

Posted on 02/27/2005 7:13:06 AM PST by TheBlackFeather

He's unable to travel because he refuses to present a government-approved ID

SAN FRANCISCO -- John Gilmore's splendid isolation began July 4, 2002, when, with defiance aforethought, he strolled to the Southwest Airlines counter at Oakland Airport and presented his ticket.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghpostgazette.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dramaqueens; govwatch; homelandsecurity; johngilmore; libertarians; nationalid; patriotact; privacy; tsa
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

The right to safety...? It's good to know that the interpretation of "freedom" in the Constitution is now "safety".

Have a nice day.


101 posted on 02/27/2005 8:41:06 AM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: Spktyr
article says "... and cannot fly inside the United States. Nor can he ride Amtrak, rent a room at most major hotels, or easily clear security in the courthouses where his case..."

The guy's worth a bazillion bucks. I'm thinking he could hire limos,buy his own airplane etc... to circumvent some of the ID requirements.

He's making a point for all of us.
102 posted on 02/27/2005 8:41:22 AM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

I'm not the least worried about myself, puppy.

Why are you so anxious to see the privacy rights of everyone else eroded in favor of feel good measures that provide no security whatsoever?



103 posted on 02/27/2005 8:41:29 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Mrs Mark

Would you ask to see the tax laws before sending in a check to the IRS? Would you require that a property owner show you his deed before allowing him onto it?


104 posted on 02/27/2005 8:42:07 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: freebilly
If you consider taking steps to ensure safe air travel as bureaucratic bull, then there's no hope for any discourse with you that utilizes logic...have another Valium
105 posted on 02/27/2005 8:42:22 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: sweetliberty

Here in California, anyone who qualifies as a lawful resident and who can't drive can still get a State ID.


106 posted on 02/27/2005 8:43:11 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
he spent a while in jail thinking about his bad, Me-ocratic ways.

Gee, I seem to recall that 230 years ago some men risked hanging for their Me-ocratic beliefs. King George would have loved you....

107 posted on 02/27/2005 8:43:21 AM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: sweetliberty

Much of the article appears to be inaccurate. I'm thinking we're seeing CBS-class "integrity" at work. I had to hop a Greyhound a couple of months ago after a rental car died on me in a small town. No ID required.

I also had recent opportunity to take the train from Dallas to Houston - no ID required or requested.


108 posted on 02/27/2005 8:44:02 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"This guy likes control."

Actually, my take on it is that he doesn't like BEING controlled by others who are unable to justify their reason for demanding that control.

109 posted on 02/27/2005 8:45:34 AM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

Sorry, this Free Billy is drug free. However I see you want us all to partake of the "security" pill. 1 dose of government regulation gives you a 24 hour feeling of safety....


110 posted on 02/27/2005 8:45:39 AM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: Spktyr

I'm glad for this stooge that he is rich. It's a lot easier to be a rich A-hole than a poor one.


111 posted on 02/27/2005 8:47:55 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out
"Another sterling example of a seemingly intelligent person so caught up in himself, and his own rights, he has no room in his mind or heart to consider the safety of anyone else.

No, sorry but I would turn this around and hand it back to you as potentially someone who is willingly so caught up in your own personal safety and the "security" the government can offer, that you have no room in your mind or heart to consider the constitutional birthrights of your fellow citizens and the future generations of Americans.

This paragraph from the article is absolutely unacceptable;
"...the government asked a judge to hold a hearing in secret and preclude Gilmore's lawyers from seeing the regulation they sought to challenge..."

and I applaud Mr. Gilmore for spending his remaining days and his wealth to do what he can to protect the privacy and at least some of the constitutional rights we were born with in this country.

Like it or not, THIS is what America is about. If we lose our rights in the name of fighting terrorism, what exactly was the point?

112 posted on 02/27/2005 8:49:01 AM PST by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: freebilly

If I recall correctly, the single most burning issue that ignited the revolution was the argument that a man could not be siezed at random by government thugs and be forced to show papers and explain his reasons for traveling and be forced to declare his itinerary for their approval.

It sickens me to hear these so-called conservatives whiningly advocate just that. Apparently, everyone should be stopped, searched, and arrested in order to keep them safe.

The Republic is over.

See ya in the camps.


113 posted on 02/27/2005 8:49:42 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: fight_truth_decay
"He can get a passport, but chooses not to."

That's not what he said.

"Gilmore will show ID for an international flight because he doesn't expect to set the rules for other nations."

"I will show a passport to travel internationally. I'm not willing to show a passport to travel in my own country,"

114 posted on 02/27/2005 8:49:51 AM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
That's BIG DOG to you sluggo...

Why don't you go to a movie theater this evening, and then yell FIRE, in the middle of the show?
It's your right to invoke "free speech" isn't it?
115 posted on 02/27/2005 8:50:58 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: TheBlackFeather

To learn more about becoming a professional asshole, click here!

116 posted on 02/27/2005 8:51:10 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Mrs Mark

Would you demand to see the law which requires a driver's license in order to drive a motor vehicle before handing over yours to the deputy who just pulled you over?


117 posted on 02/27/2005 8:51:37 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

Sir, if you have proved anything today, its that you are a fool.

Therefore, our argument is over, newby.


118 posted on 02/27/2005 8:52:50 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Cultural Jihad
Would you ask to see the tax laws before sending in a check to the IRS? Would you require that a property owner show you his deed before allowing him onto it?

So your answer to weather you would like to see the ordinance is??? I can not imagine why you would not answer with a simple yes, that you would like to see the ordinance or no you would just take the inspectors word for it. If it were me I would like to see the ordinance involved before I moved anything.

Yes I would like to see the tax law requiring me to send any check to the IRS.

As far as requiring a property owner to show me his deed before allowing him "on to it" I suppose it means what you mean by "on to it" and frankly I am scared to ask :)

119 posted on 02/27/2005 8:54:27 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: freebilly; yer gonna put yer eye out
You want to be government cattle, be my guest.

I am surprised by the proliferation of of posts by the sheeple on this thread.

What happened to Free Republic? It used to be more about freedom.

People like this would have been laughed off the baord just a few years ago.

120 posted on 02/27/2005 8:55:02 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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