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BTK' Busted, Wichita Paper Linked to Case Plans Special Coverage
Editor and Publisher ^ | 2.26.05 | associated press

Posted on 02/26/2005 6:55:28 AM PST by gopwinsin04

Police have uncovered new evidence in the decades old BTK Wichita serial killer case and are questioning a person of interest, according to sources close to the investigation.

Authorities scheduled a news conferece for 11AM Eastern Saturday to make an announcement in the case, and relatives of the killers victims would be briefed beforehand.

Some police sources have said that a 59 year old man was arrested Friday and linked to the case by a DNA sample.

Surveillance activites gave police 'their first big piece' of recent evidence, leading authorities to a vehicle and the person of interest.

Investigators also searched a house in the Wichita suburb of Park City Friday, siezing computer equipment.

(Excerpt) Read more at mediainfo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: btk; dennis; dennisrader; dogcatcher; killer; parkcity; rader; serial; sociopath; wichita
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To: MEG33
I'm with you on that MEG33.

Hope that you get your computer situation solved soon. I know how it is when you can't access the net (especially) FR when, how, and how you are accoustomed to.

Its sad but I feel as if I have lost a part of me, when those occasions happen.

741 posted on 02/27/2005 8:47:55 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: All

Dennis Rader High School Photo

742 posted on 02/27/2005 8:49:17 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I am so accustomed to having FR ready to check any moment, day or night..That black screen is very uninviting! I will probably be "handicapped" at least til Wednesday, depending on how fast the guy can get to it.


743 posted on 02/27/2005 8:58:30 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

CNN is saying the daughter did not even give DNA based on some source they are talking to (probably one who is typical of the ultra-sensitive WPD so they gave out false info to try to kill that story), but KAKE says she did, as does the church pastor, who talked to the suspect's wife yesterday.

It is very likely that she did give DNA.


744 posted on 02/27/2005 9:07:25 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas

I think it may be likely that they asked..moreso than she came with suspicions and volunteered her DNA. As I said..rumors fly and some are just rumors, some are not.


745 posted on 02/27/2005 10:00:36 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

That is what was reported last night on one station....the FBI approached her to clear the name of a "family member" and she supplied the DNA.

Of course, instead of clearing that family member, it convicted him.


746 posted on 02/27/2005 10:02:01 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas

Her DNA won't convict him..It did give them probable cause to arrest him, along with their other information..He seems to have been a collector of memorabilia from his victims..I wonder if they have discovered more..His DNA has been matched by now to evidence collected years ago.

BTK's hunger for recognition and desire to taunt the police again did him in. He started believing in his own invincibility.


747 posted on 02/27/2005 10:16:51 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

At least he didn't kill again....at least not the we know of.


748 posted on 02/28/2005 4:23:12 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: hoosiermama

Thank heavens he was caught before he decided he wasn't scaring the public enough with just taunting over his past murders.


749 posted on 02/28/2005 8:24:19 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: rwfromkansas

That's what I think happened too. LE approached the daughter saying, "help us clear him".


750 posted on 02/28/2005 10:09:45 AM PST by BizzeeMom ("We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love" Bl. Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: BizzeeMom; TexKat; MEG33; cyncooper; hoosiermama; rwfromkansas
When you have time and if you're interested, go check this out on the kansas.com/Wichita Eagle forum -- a thread titled, "WAS BTK ON THE MESSAGE BOARD??"

http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-kansas_news&msg=6577.1&ctx=1

 It seems there was a poster named "electronicsK" who disappeared on 2/23/05 and still has some unread messages.  He only made 3 posts.  His first post was a long missive with the theme of "Imagine that you are BTK."  (You can find his entire message at the link above.)  He starts out by saying:

From: electronicsk Dec-6 11:35 pm
To: ALL 

Imagine that you are BTK...Again

Sit back....

Turn off the lights....

Close your eyes....

Wait....

Anticipate....

Imagine....

That you are BTK....

Yes, that’s right, imagine that YOU are BTK.

Now, just let that thought sink in for a while. You are BTK
.

This is the last paragraph of that same long message:

...Yes, imagine that you are BTK. You are experiencing a high such as never before. The heights are simply breathtaking. You have a newfound zeal for life. You have fire in your belly. You feel a renewed enthusiasm, because there is a new game to play. It is Zero Hour, your moment of truth. You are at The Crossroads, where fervor meets self-assurance. You know that at this defining moment you are in complete control, because you are the most accomplished personality in the world. Court TV awaits your presence. The Rubicon is beckoning. Prendre la balle au bond.

Yes, you are BTK.

The BTK World Tour is here and it’s ShowTime!


My own Babelfish translation of the French "Prendre la balle au bond" at the end was: "To take the ball with the jump."  Someone at the Kansas.com forum said it meant, "Strike while the iron is hot; make hay while the sun shines. The allusion is to certain games at ball, which must be struck at the moment of the rebound."

Anyway, electronicsK made a second post on 12/28/04:

Did it happen?

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I believe that BTK will break into one of the homes where a former victim lived and leave a package on the kitchen table. The package will contain photos of the crime scene at that home.

 

Bottom line:  It's hard to believe Rader would be stupid enough to leave an electronic trail on a forum like that, especially if he was on a fixed computer line.

But then again, he was ignorant enough about computers that he gave the police a floppy disk with the name of his Lutheran church on it, even though he thought he'd wiped it clean.  (My theory on that -- he was too anal [cheap] to "waste a perfectly good floppy disk.") 

Also, his psychological profile is probably along the lines of a mixture of narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder.   First, the extreme narcissism could have easily been manifested by lurking in "BTK Killer" conversations and forums.  Can't you just see this guy hunched over his computer every night, reading all the Internet speculation about himself?  Even joining in the conversation using an alias?  (In fact, his first forum message I excerpted above gets into this scenario.)  Extreme narcissism would make a person feel as if they are invincible and just can't be caught because they're so much more intelligent and superior to those chasing him.

And second, the antisocial personality pretty much speaks for itself.  I wouldn't be surprised to later learn that his perceived "uncontrollable dark side" was played out on the Internet somehow.  Does anyone know if the LE raid found a computer in his house? 

Oh, and one more thing:  A poster at the Kansas.com forum speculated that the "electronicsK" stood for "electronic serial Killer."

Even if it isn't him, if you're interested in this sort of thing it all makes for an interesting read. 

751 posted on 02/28/2005 3:52:45 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: SerpentDove

I meant to ping you to 751 in case you were interested.


752 posted on 02/28/2005 4:22:38 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: All

Here's the questionnaire he filled out for his class reunion.

www.kansas.com/multimedia/kansas/archive/btk/022705raderriverview.pdf



"School 'Daze" Memories (most memorable, sad, funny embarrassing, etc)"________________

"What have you done and where have you been in the past 25 years?" _______________

"Future plans" _____________

"Pearls of wisdom" _____________


753 posted on 02/28/2005 4:50:38 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

That IS interesting.

I love a good serial killer drama...at least after they get caught.

I didn't follow the Laci Peterson stuff much. But I will, this.


754 posted on 02/28/2005 5:36:48 PM PST by SerpentDove (This reply printed on 100% recycled electrons.)
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To: Nita Nupress

Great find!


755 posted on 02/28/2005 7:15:49 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

This may or may not work on your end.
http://forums.prospero.com/n/find/results.asp?webtag=kr-kansas_news

If not, put the "electronicsK" in their search engine where it says "Search Messages."

I'm less intrigued now than I was earlier. I found where they have entire threads back in December asking "Who here is BTK?" So he's probably someone just taking them for a ride.

Although..... this is interesting. Here's a post on that thread I linked earlier:




From: CrushisBack 7:42 pm
To: ALL (21 of 31)
6577.21 in reply to 6577.19

MSNBC is reporting that BTk did participate on message boards about his crimes. The source is un-named (of course) and it does not say that it was this message board. The source sad that he "frequently posted"..interesting.

This was all taken from his computer.



756 posted on 02/28/2005 7:31:20 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: All

Lord, please don't let him be a FReeper. Anybody notice anyone missing since Friday? LOL!


757 posted on 02/28/2005 7:36:52 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress; All

MSNBC is reporting he did post on internet forums about himself. They are not saying where though.


758 posted on 02/28/2005 8:38:21 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas

Oops. I guess I should have checked the post right above mine.


759 posted on 02/28/2005 8:39:04 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas
And he DID have computer equipment at his house. Oh, man. You know he was a registered Rep., don't you? And I found where he voted in 2003. (That was the most recent record, but he probably voted last Fall also.) If he's a FReeper, we'll probably never know.

Investigators also searched a house in the Wichita suburb of Park City Friday, siezing computer equipment.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1351569/posts

760 posted on 03/01/2005 5:45:20 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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