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Revenge killings of members of Saddam's former regime rise
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Posted on 02/25/2005 2:53:11 PM PST by jmc1969

BAGHDAD, Iraq (news - web sites) - Shiite Muslim assassins are killing former members of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s mostly Sunni Muslim regime at will and with impunity in a parallel conflict that some observers fear could snowball into civil war.

The war between Shiite vigilantes and former Baath Party members is seldom investigated and largely overshadowed by the mostly Sunni insurgency. The U.S. military is preoccupied with hunting down suicide bombers and foreign terrorists, and Iraq's new Shiite leaders have little interest in prosecuting those who kill their former oppressors or their enemies in the insurgency.

The killings have intensified since January's Shiite electoral victory, and U.S. and Iraqi officials worry that they could imperil progress toward a unified, democratic Iraq.

"It's the beginning, and we could go down the slippery slope very quickly," said Sabah Kadhim, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry. "We've been so concerned with removing terrorists and Islamists that this other situation has reared its ugly head. Both sides are sharpening their knives."

Since the Jan. 30 elections, Shiite militants have stepped up their campaign to exact street justice from men who were part of the regime that oppressed and massacred members of their sect for decades. While Shiite politicians turn a blind eye, assassins are working their way through a hit list of Saddam's former security and intelligence personnel, according to Iraqi authorities, Sunni politicians and interviews with the families of those who've been targeted.

(Excerpt) Read more at story.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: baathparty; goesroundcomesround; haditcoming; iraq; livebythesword; paybacksabitch; revenge; saddam
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1 posted on 02/25/2005 2:53:13 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

I think we all feared this would happen.

The Shiites were oppressed for so long that some of 'em are finally taking care of business and righting some old wrongs.

I can't say I blame them either.


2 posted on 02/25/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by MplsSteve
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Just make sure not to kill any innocents in it and I don't see a problem......these guys are the ones using IED's and the like anyway and in cahoots with Zarqawi and his gang of out of staters......
3 posted on 02/25/2005 2:56:37 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: MplsSteve

Paybacks are a bitch, ain't they?


4 posted on 02/25/2005 2:57:02 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: jmc1969

What goes around comes round.


5 posted on 02/25/2005 2:58:06 PM PST by 76834
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To: jmc1969

I'm having trouble feeling very bad about this.


6 posted on 02/25/2005 2:58:58 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: jmc1969

Payback's a bi*ch.


7 posted on 02/25/2005 2:59:18 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: ModelBreaker

The bad thing would be for real civil war to break out. The country is just starting to get things together and make progress. Civil war may be 2 steps backward.


8 posted on 02/25/2005 3:02:47 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: jmc1969
A friend of mine made the statement
Police do not exist to protect us, they exist to protect the criminals.

You see, the rationale of that statement is that people in society will form vigilente groups, and what the vigilente does is NOT controlled. The criminal has far more to fear from torqued off members of society, than from the police. But, historically the vigilente groups have 'punished' the wrong person, and having the 'criminal' torn limb from limb is not uncommon. So, the police exist to uphold the law, and protect the criminal.

9 posted on 02/25/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: jmc1969

Anything by the left-leaning Yahoo to discredit the elections in Iraq. This is unfortunate I suppose, but the Baathist are reaping what they sowed. Frankly these revenge killings are quite restrained in terms of numbers compared to what we might expect from a population who saw hundreds of thousands of their people murdered by Saddam's Baathists. Saddam created this society of violence. Naturally its effects will continue to echo in a lack of respect for life such as we're seeing in these vigilante killings.

But Yahoo and the US media doesn't want to talk about that, or the much greater and more frequest acts of violence by people they indirectly glorify by calling them "the Resistance" or "insurgents," while refusing to call them what they are: terrorists.


10 posted on 02/25/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by MikeA
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You mean Muslims are permitted to fight back against Islamist killers? I thought that only applied against infidels.


11 posted on 02/25/2005 3:03:11 PM PST by jolie560
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The blood letting begins. A lot more will need to flow before Iraq will be stable again.


12 posted on 02/25/2005 3:03:18 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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If the Sunnis had stepped down gracefully, I might have some trouble with this. But with Sunnis continuing to kill innocent bystanders because they want to return to their old tyrannical ways, who can blame the Shiites for striking back?

Sooner or later they will need a rule of law. But that means both sides need to stop killing people, not just one of them.


13 posted on 02/25/2005 3:03:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jmc1969
I don't think this is anything that has suddenly started. I am surprised it hasn't been worse.

At a conservative guess Saddam and his boys put 300,000 people into the ground. If one of them were a relative of mine I don't think I'd be full of the milk of human kindness either.

15 posted on 02/25/2005 3:07:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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"The blood letting begins. A lot more will need to flow before Iraq will be stable again."

Actually, this is old news. I heard about these revenge killings in an LA Times piece probably 16 months ago. It actually sounded a lot worse back then. Yahoo could only come up with 3 examples. It sounded a lot more widespread in the Times piece over a year ago. This is just an attempt by Yahoo to discredit the elections.


16 posted on 02/25/2005 3:08:44 PM PST by MikeA
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To: jmc1969

"It's the beginning, and we could go down the slippery slope very quickly,"

Or, with a little luck, the Shiites could kill all the Sunnis who fall into the bad-guy category and the world, or at least people like me, will go *shrug* they had it coming.


17 posted on 02/25/2005 3:10:36 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: MikeA
Even so, not enough of the "bad" people have been killed. Yes, the coalition has taken out several thousand. But there will be more to come.

Most likely the smart ones, the high profile ones, have already fled the country. Otherwise, as time goes on, and when no one is looking.......

It has followed every major shift of power - especially when abusive dictatorships fall. There were revenge killings of Nazi party members well into the 50's.

I suspect that these killings will continue for some time. It is very difficult to forgive someone for raping your wife and daughters and killing your son.
18 posted on 02/25/2005 3:13:16 PM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: MikeA

Honestly, now ...

if you knew the Bathist party member who had your family members murdered, or had friends 'vanish' into a mass grave, or perhaps had your daughter raped to ensure your cooperation, would you hesitate to exact a little revenge?

I don't know about you, but I would have my day, and it wouldn't be merciful ....


19 posted on 02/25/2005 3:14:24 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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As soon as we're done with North Korea, Iran, Syria and maybe France we should get right on this problem.


20 posted on 02/25/2005 3:15:24 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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