Posted on 02/25/2005 12:09:37 PM PST by kcvl
Per Fox News...
Is you infant in a coma with a cerebral cortex filled with spinal fluid and a tube in her stomach for feeding?
The full tapes were presented in a court of law that determined she was NOT responding. This was affirmed on appeal in the Second District Court.
One could see a video of a car braking as a squirrel darts in front of it and conclude that the squirrel has supernatural powers ...
since those are not my words, but those of the columnist, you might want to tell him that.
-No.
-Schiavo is not "in a coma".
-re: spinal fluid, If someone is brain damaged does that make her ok to kill?
-Ok once and for all WTF does the tube being in the stomach have to do with making her ok to kill? This girl used a tube to eat for 7 years. Was she ok to kill at any point during that time because of the tube (yes/no)?
-What's your point? You're the second person who thinks it's interesting to point out that there are differences between Schiavo and an infant. Why? The only point of the analogy was that they had a single similarity - possessing the property which (supposedly) makes Schiavo Ok-to-kill. The fact that Schiavo has numerous differences from an infant is hardly interesting or informative. (Do you understand the purpose and usage of analogies? Rarely are they designed to show that 2 things are Alike In Every Single Way. I concede that Schiavo and infants are not Alike In Every Single Way but the fact that you think that proves something is pathetic.)
The full tapes were presented in a court of law that determined she was NOT responding. This was affirmed on appeal in the Second District Court.
We are all aware of that. I disagree with the court(s), in case that wasn't clear. (It's amazing how many things are so unclear to my dissenters, even when I state them plainly and repeatedly.)
Perhaps you didn't understand that humans can disagree with courts' and judges' decisions. Difficult to believe, maybe, but true nevertheless. (A closely-related fact which you also may not have realized is that judges are humans and not gods.)
One could see a video of a car braking as a squirrel darts in front of it and conclude that the squirrel has supernatural powers ...
Except that there's a better explanation on offer which is that the car has a driver (as we know cars to have, generally) and braked for the squirrel.
Anyway, thanks for yet again bringing my attention to this thread with three separate and individual (yet amazingly vacuous) responses to my Post #793. I totally appreciate it.
I noticed that you didn't argue with the point that her cerebral cortex is filled with spinal fluid and that all parties agree on that and she will never function as a person again.
WTF, can't you comprehend? I didn't say it did. I was talking about the fact that she is essentially brain-dead. God has taken her soul.
That's right, I didn't argue with it. Based on everything I've read, the cerebral cortex's location has indeed filled with some amount of spinal fluid. I also don't argue with the "point" that her name is Terri Schiavo. I don't "argue with" facts.
The question is, So what?
If someone's brain gets damaged in a fashion that part of the brain becomes filled with spinal fluid, that means it's ok to kill that person? How much spinal fluid is the threshold? Is it done in percentage terms? (If 4% of the brain (by volume) fills with spinal fluid, the person can't be killed, if it reaches 5%, she can? or what?)
she will never function as a person again.
Correction: She is a person, so however she's functioning, she's function as a person.
I do reckon you're right however that she will never function as a normal person again. (One never knows what science may bring, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it, in fact I'm probably less hopeful about that than 99% of the "save Terri" side.)
So we agree, she's severely disabled and not likely to get better. That makes her ok to kill (yes/no)?
[feeding tube makes ok to kill?] I didn't say it did.
Well good, then we agree. Why do you keep bringing up the tube then?
I was talking about the fact that she is essentially brain-dead.
No she's not. She's not brain-dead, and "essentially brain-dead" doesn't really have an objective meaning I can discern, anymore than does your earlier made-up term, "mind-dead". (You sure seem to like making up pseudoscientific babble jargon and then using it as excuses for why it's ok to kill a person. Sounds fun, let me try it: "You, sir, suffer from Sciencebabblephilia, and Sciencebabblephilia is like being already dead, therefore we can kill you now." See how easy it is?)
Frankly, this exercise in tossing around terms like "PVS" or "essentially brain-dead", and then using it to draw conclusions, is not very distinguishable from some Middle Ages quack determining that someone is possessed by evil spirits or bad humours, apart from having more scientific-sounding terminology.
And what's all this got to do with the tube anyway? For some reason you wrote this "essentially brain-dead" stuff in response to my questioning bringing up the feeding tube. How does the feeding tube support your claim that she's "essentially brain-dead"?
God has taken her soul.
Now there's an objective, scientific diagnosis if I've ever heard one. Clearly when it comes to the legality of killing someone, courts ought to render judgments and laws ought to be enforced based on whether "God" has taken the "soul" of the person in question. /sarcasm
ROTFLMAO!
Offering up a prayer of thanksgiving. Thank you Lord, and may you keep her safe.
I read that her parents are seeking a divorce for her from her creepy husband. I hope it happens before he tries to ice her.
Have you seen the videos of Terri? She's brain damaged, but reacts to visits from family and friends. You've got to go through all the Terri threads here and see for yourself. All she has is a feeding tube. That is not life support. If she had been receiving the therapy that was originally promised to her, we wouldn't be here praying for God to save her life. She would be able to swallow, and would be able to have a better quality of life. More importantly, she would perhaps be able to tell the world what really happened to her.
Pray for her.
Well maybe Judge Greer should have gone into a different line of work. Say paving or aluminum siding contractor. That way he wouldn't be responsible for life and death decisions that he obviously can't handle.
Being a judge is a very serious profession, and no I wouldn't want to be one.
Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the medical record was in a state of shambles when it was given, that it was out of order by date and that much of the medical record was never given to the Schindlers or Dr. Hammesfahr! NEVER! Dr. Hammesfahr stated that there are notes in the medical record by nurses who were NOT working at the time they stated they were caring for Terri. Also, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that parts of the medical record were completely missing! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that Terri's blood sugar level upon admission to the hospital was about 400 (373). When asked why it would be that high, since Terri was NOT and is not a diabetic, Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that the emergency medical technicians who arrived by ambulance probably gave Terri D-5-W, a dextrose in water solution. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that EMTs would check a patient's blood glucose level as part of their routine, when assessing a patient like Terri who had collapsed. The only reason they would give D-5-W would likely be that they discovered upon testing Terri, that her blood sugar was LOW at the time of the collapse. Since Terri was not HYPO-glycemic and was not diabetic, a POSSIBLE explanation for Terri having LOW blood sugar at the time of her collapse is that she may have been injected with insulin.Noted, of course, was the sworn AFFIDAVIT/testimony of a nurse who cared for Terri later on in the early 1990s, that Terri was found shaking, pale and agitated after a visit by Michael Schiavo. In that nurse's affidavit, the nurse stated that she found a vial of insulin in Terri's PRIVATE room. Since Terri did not have diabetes, there would be no reason for a vial of insulin to be in the garbage can in her room at the nursing home. Dr. Hammesfahr and I agreed that we had never seen any nurse or physician bring a vial of insulin into a patient's room when administering insulin. The standard of practice is to prepare a medication beforehand at the nurse's station, note what medication is given in the medication administration record, and then bring the syringe with the insulin in it to the patient, but NOT the vial.
That a vial of insulin was found in Terri's room is not normal practice even if Terri were getting insulin, but she was NOT and never was on insulin! Dr. Hammesfahr explained that, although Michael Schiavo admits to "shaking Terri up" Terri's injuries and condition are not explainable due to anyone shaking her head ... that her clinical condition would have been different if that was the sole cause of her brain injury. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the type of injury and clinical condition Terri had at the time of her collapse could be explained by a possible strangulation attempt and/or an insulin injection combined with some form of attack or trauma.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that no police investigation was done to look into Terri's condition, even after a bone scan (13 months after her collapse) revealed multiple TRAUMA and broken bones. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that the broken bones could NOT be explained by any form of bone disease, that these were ABSOLUTELY broken bones and that it must have been done through trauma, injury to her. Dr. Hammesfahr said that other physicians had also come to the same conclusion. Dr. Hammesfahr stated that Michael Schiavo kept these bone scans and other medical records secret for over a DECADE. [They were only released in 2002!]
same for Kate Adamson who had her feeding tube removed.
http://www.katesJourney.com/
thank you for the other story.
Ping!
Is this about how you want to be treated in this eventuality, or how you intend to treat your wife if she found herself incapacitated?
All this self-righteousness, d-informed-1! methinks you just have a horror of finding yourself in a position where you might have to take care of someone else.
Terri's family is willing. Michael is clearly a bum who has moved on. There are some suspicious circumstances that could do with a closer look. There are many doctors who hold out some hope--
This is a no brainer. Give custody to the parents.
Your problem is your personal disgust and distaste for the helpless--and your solution is to dispatch them to death. You don't belong in the discussion. Go euthenize your dog, if you're so hot on killing.
"She is being kept from a natural death by man's unnatural life support."
Food and water aren't unnatural life support.
"She cannot swallow therefore she has a feeding tube."
She can swallow! :) She doesn't drool!
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