Terri Schaivo - The End Game - Why Terri Schiavo Has to Die

The disabled have a hard enough time getting their needs respected when they are able to express them and fight for them--it's scary to think we might not have our needs respected when we can't fight for them ourselves.

Ever heard of Kate Adamson. She was in the same situation as Terri. She survived the attempt to starve and dehydrate her.

You seem to be working on the presumption that people who become disabled want to be dead, and you totally ignore the fact that many of the disabled live fulfilling lives. Take Helen Keller for she was profoundly disabled. If someone like Michael Schiavo had gotten in her way, then she would not have been allowed to be the achiever that she was. How can you be so stupid as to not see that Theresa Schindler had a will to live? Michael Schiavo did everything he could to force her to die, including taking away all of her pleasures in life. By following the Scientology protocol for death he was trying to force her to give up, but Terri refused to give up, and so he had to starve her to death with legal sanction. That is one reason why this case sucks so much. Terri was not wanting to die. There is no evidence that she ever made those statements. Every time I hear about when the statements were allegedly said there is always some detail that has changed, to which the Ghoul Felos states that there were many times when she made the alleged statements. My response to that is BULL^%$#. Terri lasted 14 days of starvation this time around before succumbing to the murderous plans of her faithless adulterous husband. This man was living with a concubine that he called his fiancee, whilst Terri was still alive. I have never heard of anything so sleazy as this man asking another woman to marry him whilst his disabled wife is still alive. He bashed Terri, then he used her condition to get a settlement, and then he put his plan to finish her off into motion. Yet Terri would not die according to his plans. That is why this scumbag had to go to the Ghoul Felos, to find a legal way to finish her off. Terri's parents were always willing to care for her, but it seems that dopey selfish idiots prefer to think that she did not want to live. Yeah right. It seems that it is ok for the selfish to project their wants and wishes onto others, but it is not ok for the rest of us to have a say on the issue. Terri had a right to life. Just because she had brain damage did not mean that she should have been forced to die in a cruel and callous manner. There is an end waiting for the selfish and the wicked. They will learn what it means to spend the rest of time being parched.

You are wrong about early Christians and suicide. Early Christians preferred to go to their deaths, most of these deaths were cruel and unusual punishments rather than give into the demands of the pagans.

However there was a group called Circumcellions who seemed to think that it was ok to suicide and they tried to set themselves up for suicide.

There are also cults such as the Manicheans and their offshoots the Catharists, which include the Albigenses who indulged in suicide, usually done by starvation and dehydration. The Albigenses actually had some very strange practices. The one of interest concerns the point at which they are considered to be Perfecti, and that is the point where they received what was their one Sacrament and then they allowed themselves to die.

This was not the practice of real Christians.

Resty I believe God knows EXACTLY when to take his people home. He doesn't need our help and HE certainly would not wish us to starve and dehydrate one another to death. I was an RN also, I have seen people wasting away. I'm not sure what your talking about as a life force. I have seen people die. I still don't believe in assisting them to die.

well said. And your right, what hypocrisy.!! I would also say, be really careful what you sign as a "living will". I think it's Alan Keyes site that has a very good article on it. I'll have to check to verify that but I did print out the article, whoever wrote it.

You are wrong about early Christians and suicide.

So you're saying that those who committed suicide and were venerated as saints were not Christian? The Circumcellions were not Christian?

I suppose you feel that because the Donatists wanted priests who weren't corrupt, they weren't Christians either.

Sorry...the church was corrupt at that time, and there were a great many Christians out there who did not go along with the church. I do feel sorry for Augustine of Hippo, with his twisted attempts to rationalize his proposed changing of views on suicide without claiming the suicides of saints were sinful--but he was a political animal, you can't deny that.

Note that suicide is not at all condemned in Scripture, and it's actually held up as a positive--a form of atonement similar to sacrifice. Note, for example, Judas.

Hey, Jesus actively resisted the moneychangers in the temple. Why'd he passively resist a death sentence? He knowingly went and did things that would result in his death--pretty suicidal behaviour if you ask me! I'm not a New International Versionist who claims Jesus sinnned--are you?

On some level Terri was aware most likely what was going on
in her state she could go out of body and beaware of what was going on in Washington DC.

O-kay.

Welcome to FR...looks like your gonna fit right in

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.

Yeah, you're right.

The ONLY indication Terri EVER said ANYTHING implying she'd not want to live on a resuscitator is Michael's OWN (unsubstantiated!) single comment years after her trials started.

AFTER Michael had spent all of her therapy money on a death-writer attorney who, like Micheal, desperately wanted her dead.

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This is an interesting comment, but not quite accurate. It went down in the following way. Prior to the settlement of the malpractice suit, MS did not know what Terri wanted. He told his former lover (Cindy) that he did not know what Terri wanted.

Michael was so in love with Terri, that he had lined up a lover within months of her collapse. He told that lover Terri was dying. When the lover ended the relationship he stalked her and almost ran her off the road. Then he had at least two other relationships including the one with his present concubine, Jodi Centonanze.

Michael's love for Terri was so great, that when his mother died, he named Jodi as his mate, and not his disabled wife.

I know what conclusions that I can make on this type of information.

Anyway, not only did Michael not know what Terri wanted, the only other people who supported his new found memory 10 plus years after Terri's collapse were HIS brother and sister in law. We have no proof at all that Terri ever made these statements. The evidence of the brother and sister in law only surfaced after the "evidence" of Michael was questioned and considered to be unreliable.

What gets me, happens to be that any judge could find that Schiavo's brother and sister in law gave clear and convincing evidence about what Terri had stated.

What is equally irksome is that the Judge (Greer) in the case made an error of fact and then ruled another witness as unreliable based upon HIS error, not her error. He then dismissed an appeal based upon HIS error, saying that it was not relevant.

Terri and her parents were set up by Michael Schiavo and his lawyers. Michael wanted Terri dead so that the truth would not come out about her collapse (more than likely there was an attempted strangulation). Michael's lawyers worked a swifty on the Schindlers.

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.