Posted on 02/25/2005 9:19:53 AM PST by LaFlorida
(quote)Why, in the false concept of helping her, are we preventing her from being with God and in Heaven today?
We are not helping her physical body in any way. But spiritually, we are causing her harm.(/quote)
Why are we preventing her form being with God in Heaven?
Probably for the same reason nobody sews YOUR lips shut, preventing YOU from eating and drinking, so YOU can be with God "In heaven".
You think we are causing her spiritual harm?
Scuse me fella, but first of all, Terri has God IN HER. She doesn't have to wait for heaven, she has relationship NOW. Secondly, spritual harm isn't caused at all because her faith is STRONG. The Holy Spirit sustains her and there is NOTHING anybody can do to stop that. All is well with her soul and we can't harm a thing. God is the giver of her faith, and God is the sustainer of her faith.
If you are waiting for death to be with God rather than cultivating relationship with him now...you will have waited in vain. If you don't have it in life, you never will.
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Why is it so hard for people like you to find value and worth in the lives of the suffering and handicapped? I am sorry that you have been forced to deal with this situation. But, you are wrong in so many ways in your attitude toward Terri Schaivo. A human life is not at peace only when it is in perfect condition and not suffering. My wife and mother-in-law have made a point for the last few years of taking our kids to Mass at the nursing home a half mile from our home. Our kids have seen suffering and pain. But the lesson we don't want to teach our kids is that those old people would be better off dead than sitting there in those chairs drooling and in pain. We want our kids to learn to love and make contact with those people on their level. When my daughter is asked by the Alzheimers patients three and four times what her name is, she just politely says her name over and over again. She doesn't make fun of the people, she respects them and loves them even in their condition. Human life has value simply because it is human. When our family did mission work in Mexico, my children were blessed with the opportunity to visit the shut-ins. In one home a blind man was taking care of his wife who had no legs. They lived in a one room house that leaked all over and basically only kept out the torrential rain. But I guarantee you that anyone who left there did not leave feeling sorry for these people. You couldn't help leaving without falling in love with them and their relationship. Under the attitude you present, these people would be happier dead. When the lady finally died last year. The blind gentleman was destroyed emotionally. Her life had amazing meaning to many of my friends. We will miss her very badly. It breaks my heart to hear how her husband is handling her death. But, his love and Faith will carry him on. Let Terri live to spread love to her family and all of us whom she inspires. Let her go???? What you are saying is kill her and put her out of her misery. I'm sorry but that's horrible. She is special even if she never improves one bit. Who cares if she is a burden. All human life deserves to be respected and cared for. God places these people in our hands - and her family is more than willing to take her on and love and care for her until she dies a natural death.
I know that "progressives" feel threatened by people who believe in God. But the irony that arises from their fear of religion is that their own belief system is so cultish. At this point in time, when you ask a "progressive" what they believe in, they'll tell you that they don't know. They're too busy questioning reality and trying to re-invent human nature to something that fits their utopian world view. But the dark underbelly of this is that while on one hand their belief system seems mushy and shapeless, they base their politics on a view of human nature and the world that is fictional. Their politics are based on a "faith" that their brand of "good intentions" can save the world, and that human nature is something that can be shaped, moulded, and pushed toward a higher evolutionary goal. YOu can't believe in the evolution of humanity AND believe that humans have a sin nature that is weak and needs God. It's much like Nazism: the quest for the more perfect world and the more perfect human. You don't have to be a gifted prophet to see that the outcome of progressive philosophy will be similar to the outcome of Nazism.
Would Mr Schiavo change his mind if an investigation is launched looking at the circumstances around the initial incident 15 years ago. If an investigation proved he contributed to her condition by violence, her death would change a battery change to murder.
Michael Schiavo was never a Catholic. This is yet another error that is made in the press.
It is Terri Schindler who was the devout Catholic. The Schiavo family are Lutheran
No, her husband is a real control freak and he tried to with hold life saving medicine from Terri long before he hired Felos to fight for him.
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He did it again in 2003. You need to check out the content of those newly released document.
I wonder whether Felos advised him that it was not illegal for him to deny his wife the antibiotics.
Michael got the money, had some therapy for her for a little while, met Geroge Felos, and then suddenly "remembered" that Terri said in a casual way on one occassion, "No tubes for me". In spite of the fact that he swore UNDER OATH in a court of law previously that he would take care of her for the rest of his life.
Where did the money go? Do you think hospice lets people stay there for free?
Other than God's judgement in hell that awaits them, how will it all now backfire in their faces?
Seems to me that Micheal, Felos, Greico, Greer, and the whole judiciary, state and federal, of Florida got away with murder, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Actually I would like to see the Schindlers file a wrongful death lawsuit for several million against Schiavo...they have the evidence, and if they could find the right judge, I bet it would work.
Are you a lawyer?
Terri was NOT ON LIFT SUPPORT and anytime she wanted to leave she could have WILLED herself out of here!
TERRI WAS STARVED TO DEATH AND DENIED WATER! *(NS)
When are you folks who take your position going to grasp this knowledge??
We truely do have FREEWILL!
* ns = not screaming
Scuse me fella, but first of all, Terri has God IN HER. She doesn't have to wait for heaven, she has relationship NOW. Secondly, spritual harm isn't caused at all because her faith is STRONG. The Holy Spirit sustains her and there is NOTHING anybody can do to stop that. All is well with her soul and we can't harm a thing. God is the giver of her faith, and God is the sustainer of her faith.
If you are waiting for death to be with God rather than cultivating relationship with him now...you will have waited in vain. If you don't have it in life, you never will.
I have to ask for support for this statement. Can you show me a single example of where a person has successfully willed himself away? Every attempt at this has--to my knowledge--failed, including the alt.suicide.methods experiments and those people who have come out of "locked-in" experiences after trying to will thmeselves out of the horror.
The evidence is clear that the body will continue to work despite the mind. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm very interested. If not, please rethink your position--your conclusions are based on faulty assumptions.
The disabled have a hard enough time getting their needs respected when they are able to express them and fight for them--it's scary to think we might not have our needs respected when we can't fight for them ourselves.
I just hope conservatism doesn't have to pay the price in fighting off the anti-rights zealots!
Might have been sarcasm, but there's a kernel of truth therein. Why do we allow an injection with a criminal or an animal, but not for innocents?
You confuse rights and wrongs. We conservatives are anti-wrongs and pro-rights. Murder and suicide -- no matter how sanely contracted for are crimes, are wrongs, are evils. In no way are they "rights".
If you have witness people dying you would understand that...
There have been people who have wither a way after a love one has passed away that they too followed shortly.....
If your life force is strong you will stay around until it is your time....
If you are in a twilight zone such as Terri you are able to bob back and forth this is where the WILL makes the decision of staying or leaving....
On some level Terri was aware most likely what was going on
in her state she could go out of body and beaware of what was going on in Washington DC. as well as Michael & Felos, Judge Greer etc. opposition to her right to stay.......
She would be knowing the will of the nation and how the Major media champing her demise......
She also would be aware of time running out on her life force dropping below 50 in various areaa of body functions and the point of no return...
So at sometime hanging in there is no longer an option at a certain point the diminish of returns futile!
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