China Arms Embargo Not What It Seems (It is even worse)

Tuscalooscan News ^ | February 24, 2005 | By JOHN LEICESTER

[Dr. Marten]

I love it when they say China's new leaders should be given a chance.

What new leaders? Hu Jintao?

Please! He has already proven that he is more hardline than anything we have seen in recent years. The same party that crushed democracy demonstrations in Beijing and elsewhere throughout the country is still in power....just ask the people who were shot by soldiers in Sichuan and Henan provinces a couple of months ago for protesting against government abuses and land grabs.

A lot of changes are taking place in China today, but I just don't see it happening at the governmental level.

[WmDonovan]

"nd there's been a surge in European export licenses to China for goods - about $550 million in 2003 alone "

China has good reason to seek high tech weapons. I mean, China must feel menaced by the New Zealand threat, or perhaps by the mighty Singapore Air Force, or by the elite Mongolian Navy. Jeez, they're just plum surrounded by hostile enemies aren't they. The most populated country on Earth needs high tech weapons for one reason only: to counter America.

If Europe lifts the ban China will need some cold hard cash. Come on everyone, get down to Wal-Mart and buy some junk from China. Hey, a buck is a buck, right? But, at least buying manufactured items from China helps to shut down factories in the US. We loose jobs and manufacturing capability and China gets the hardware to kill Americans should the dictator of the moment decide to try to wipe out Taiwan. I mean, whats not to like?

Churchill said that WWII would have been the easiest war to prevent. Hitler plainly stated what he wanted to do and set out to do it, and the Europeans thought if they'd just play nice he'd rise to the occasion. Up to a point he could have been stopped, but no one had the guts. History repeats itself.

[InShanghai]

Yesterday, in Shanghai, a fellow was spied stealing inside an apartment complex. The police gave chase on foot, and the guy ran into an Elementry School. He took one student hostage and held him at knifepoint for two hours. Finally, the police bum rushed the culprit and overpowered him. No mention as to the fate of the child, however rumor has it that he's in hospital with no major injuries.

Things are changing. Crime is increasing and, as we all know, the migrant workforces have at times protested not being paid on time. Change at the governmental level is bound to happen, the momentum of swing is in favor of more freedom for the masses.

[pacpam]

China is only following in Hussain's footsteps. Offer enough money and the embargo will go away.

[risk]

And where do they get the money? From investments here in the west, and our thoughtless reliance on cheap Chinese products.

[Dr. Marten]

First school kidnap in Shanghai

 

[maui_hawaii]

That knife cuts both ways. Instability is increasing for sure. The people want a better way of life.

No doubt about it.

At the same time the 'order' that exists weilds lots of power. Instability can (rather will) drive them into drastic measures. It could either be crushing the opposition (which they can't do again, otherwise even more trouble)...which only leaves outward expansion and playing off of revolutionary tactics. Meaning in a nutshell, attacking Taiwan "to re-unify China" and quite possibly attacking Japan also.

They don't stoke that victim nationalist mindset for nothing.

The powers that be will do anything to save their own skin. Even if the people will be far better served by a different government, they still won't go. If they have to fight a war to accomplish that, so be it.

[maui_hawaii]

The people can easily be suckered in to fighting someone elses war.

[InShanghai]

This school is right in front of my apartment...

[DoughtyOne]

What a bumch of BUTMONKEYS our leaders have turned out to be.

Sure we do hundreds of billions of dollars worth of trade with China, BUT BUT BUT Europe shouldn't.

Let'a talk about what we traded China. Loral Corporation gave China the technology to reduce vibration on sensitive instruments so that China's missiles could become much more reliable, and accurate. During the process Loral also gave China MIRV technology.

Not only are China's ICBMs much more reliable, they're accurate to within 50 feet now, and multiple warheads has made them exponentially more dangerous. Thanks ever so much Loral. Thanks Bill. Thanks Congress.

Did our government do anything about this? What Loral executives were placed in prison? What President who got a $100,000 donation from Loral's CEO, was impeached? Which Presidential staff members went to prison?

Others and myself have been harping about this for around a decade now. All of a sudden our political leaders in Washington have found their vocal cords. Amazingly enough, Bill Clinton and his coven of spies are long gone. They were graced with non-investigations and a "we'll let bygones be bygones" attitude from January 2001 on.

Frankly, I think a lot of public officials and some corporate assholes should find themselves in prison for the rest of their lives, for what our nation has done.

Europe? Sh-t, we've got ten to fifteen years worth of criminality on our own soil to worry about. We can get to Europe's problems, say around 2015 to 2020. That's how long it took for us to relize trading with China was a problem from our own shores.

Europe? LMAO, our leaders are absolutely worthless!

[InShanghai]

Your comments make sense. But those 'powers that be' have saved their own skin by defining a capatalistic market with themselves standing right in the middle of it. I'd think they'd take the money and run, if it came down to that. Otherwise, they'd rather take the money and keep a low profile.

My experience in post 1989 China has proven to me that money has become king for the Chinese and the 'powers that be'.

[Paul_Denton]

And Europe's ;leaders are better?

[InShanghai]

Guess where Mr. Clinton is NOW...

[DoughtyOne]

Paul, which European nation gave nuke and missile tech to China? When you've got that one figured out, please tell us what could be worse. I'd be interested to hear it.

[DoughtyOne]

If there was ever a guy who deserved to have his re-entry ticket tossed, this is the one.

[I_dmc]

Hmm, just in time for the Euro-figher, perhaps?

[Paul_Denton]

Yeah well WE are not at fault for what Clinton or greedy corperates like the Waltons did, so dont try to act like it. What can we as small individuals do when WE have no choice in matters? If it were in my power I would have given Taiwan nuclear weapons long ago. If it were in my power I would have made sure Bill Clinton did not get even into office. If it were in my power Wal Mart would not exist. If it were in my power I would have preemptivly attacked China long ago. But I and millions of other Americans are nothing more than just people. I avoid anything made in China as much as possible but that is about all I can do personally.

Clinton sold us out because of he wanted camapaign contributions from the Chinese. Old Europe is selling us out because pure hatrid for us. Leftists and old europe are equally bad and equally our enemy.

[Paul_Denton]

YOur attempts to make the europeans look good are falling on deaf ears. BOTH CLINTON AND EUROPE ARE WRONG IN THIS. DONT YOU GET IT?

[maui_hawaii]

those 'powers that be' have saved their own skin by defining a capatalistic market with themselves standing right in the middle of it.

Oh the truth of that statement. I would like to emphasize "right in the middle of it"...as the main participant. It just adds to the measure of power...

I don't disagree with your last post...not at all.

Its kind of like a friend of mine said..."Once the party got power that was good, but then they realized they still had no money. Powerful but poor...Why not have power and money...?"

Yeah they would rather lay low, but they may well get pushed out of their comfort zone. Now there is both power and money at stake...which just re emphasizes my point that they have even more to lose now than ever...