Corzine, Lautenberg to introduce bill banning assault pistol use

Philadelphia daily news ^ | 2-22-05

[Polyxene]

Beat me to it, Phil! Also, isn't there a lot of "Tony Soprano" mob-type stuff that goes on in NJ? If I lived there, I sure would want some protection!

[Gilbo_3]

How about the cops just getting thicker vests ??? Or when this becomes LAW will they go back to the 'good ol days' when the didnt NEED kevlar to 'protect and serve' ??? /unholy sarcasm

[wmileo]

I guess this means only police and criminals (and body guards for Hollywood idiots and their kids) will have access to both the firearm and vests.

[ManHunter]

"Assault pistols"? Sheesh, what's next, assault pens?

[Graycliff]

Any ammo ballistics available?

[E.Allen]

It fires a unique cartridge, 5.7mm x 28mm, at IIRC about 2200 fps. So, call it a 22 (plus a hair) caliber pistol that fire the bullets at 22 mag or 22 Hornet rifle velocities.

[datura]

Fired through the pistol, this bullet penetrates the vest at 200 meters, and a kevlar helmet at 200 meters as well.

Fired through the P90, it does the same at longer ranges.

I didn't know we could buy the Five Seven until the last Shotgun News came out. So where's the semi auto P90?

[Phantom Lord]

....an assault pistol that fires bullets capable of penetrating a bulletproof vest. That basically covers ANY pistol, even black powder.......

Little known fact. Your best weapon to use against someone wearing a bullet proof vest is a simple bow & arrow. BP Vests do not stop arrows. Seems crazy, but its true.

[datura]

"The pistol is also made of plastic and can be slipped past airport security. (Schemer alert)."

Then I guess you haven't seen the 100% ceramic 1911's that the DEA carries on aircraft. The only non-ceramic part to the entire system is the primer/powder chain in the projectile. Barrel, slide, frame, cases, projectile are all ceramic and undetectable with a hand held metal detector.

(No, I don't know how they pulled off the magazine spring or the recoil mechanism unless they used some type of pneumatics.)

[Yo-Yo]

Any ammo ballistics available?

Yes, all sorts. Click on the link below the pistol in my posting above, then menu "Small arms" "5.7x28mm System" "Ammunition."

The website won't let me post a direct link to the page, you have to navigate their menus.

[neverdem]

FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28

[Red Badger]

Doesn't seem crazy to me. The Arrow's razor sharp point could easily pass thru between the fibers of kevlar.......

[ExSoldier]

I didn't know we could buy the Five Seven until the last Shotgun News came out.

Yeah, I'm tempted to buy one just cause they're trying to have them banned and they're a heckuva lot cheaper than a Barett M82 50BMG.

[Phantom Lord]

It doesn't even have to be the razor type arrows. Just a regular old metal point arrow will do it.

[F105-D ThunderChief]

Amen! Maybe we could sponsor a bill banning idiots from our legislature!

[Shisan]

You are right. That is a new one on me. I meant my post to send up Schumer but I guess it was on me.
Are you sure the DEA uses these?

[TheDon]

New Jersey's U.S. senators plan to introduce a bill that would make it illegal for criminals to purchase or use an assault pistol that fires bullets capable of penetrating a bulletproof vest.

[Red Badger]

You mean TARGET arrows?........

[Phantom Lord]

Yes. As long as your not using a K-Market, plastic recurve.

[metalurgist]

BP Vests do not stop arrows. Seems crazy, but its true.

It's because of the arrows mass. The arrows I use weigh about 1200 grains. All that weight behind a small hard point.