Posted on 02/23/2005 5:15:25 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
How on earth can you compare a wall keeping illegals out with the Berlin Wall? Anyway, Dane I know your type. I have things to do and don't intend on going around in circles with you.
But if the juries are not convicting, what can be done?
Are you seriously proposing that we take juries OUT of any case that might touch on illegal immigration?
Are you implying that Tamar Jacoby is lying about what steps might be needed to enforce the laws?
Jacoby is a shill for the Bush Administration's guestworker shamnesty. She has been on lots of talk radio stations lately. There is a good audio clip of her being ripped to shreds over in Ken and John's audio archive.
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blog/audio.php
It is really hard to take this guy seriously because it is obvious that the Federal Government is not taking our border seriously. There are 38,000 cops in New York City controlling a few acres and only 10,000 Border Patrol Agents on the 2000+ mile Mexican Border. Given their failure to commit manpower, it is impossible to give anything the Administration or their lackeys say about wanting to protect us any credibility.
Here is what it's all about.
I don't want these illegal U.S. residents participating in the body politic.
But whichever party get's them legal status can count on about that many votes.
No, thank President Bush and Karl Rove and their ability to attract Hispanic voters despite the best efforts of the Buchanan/Tancredo type anti-Hispanics to give all Republicans a bad name.
Okay, what programs will you cut to bring the Border Patrol up to the NYPD's manning levels? Or do you wish to raise taxes?
Where will the money come from?
 "This'll show 'em not to break any traffic laws! I'll just cruise under the speed limit while in the fast lane, and force these I-L-L-E-G-A-L lawbreakers and line-jumpers to go around me!" --Deputy A. Retentive, The Last Defender of Western Civilization |
"DOES THIS MEAN it may be possible to bridge the gap between the president and his conservative critics? Well, yes and no. The critics are right about many things. Our current "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" policy is unacceptable. The erosion of the rule of law cannot continue. We must secure our borders against terrorists. The critics are also right to be worried about the costs that even legal immigrants impose on social services--primarily schools and hospitals--in the communities where they settle. Any overhaul of the immigration system must deal with those costs, and it ought to include a set of provisions, both carrots and sticks, to encourage assimilation. About all of that, there can be no doubt. The only catch: Just think a minute about this list of concerns. In fact, what the critics find intolerable is not the president's plan; it's the status quo."
Look at the responses so far.
Bush's plan is the start of changing the status quo, but his critics are so angry at the status quo that they dismiss the plan as a result of it.
In most states you can't drive without insurance. You can't get your car inspected, get license plates or renew your drivers' license. Some have roadblocks checking for insurance.
Illegals don't get any different medical treatment than any other people. You don't have to pay your bills or have medical insurance either if you're willing for your family to be treated as charity cases. You can also get free food at many churches if that's the level of existence you choose for yourself and your children. I'm not jealous.
Why do you insist in discussing the past?
No one is saying that we should let the whole world in.
The status quo is unnaceptable, we all understand that...but THEY ARE HERE ALREADY, and the one thing that everyone, from every viewpoint on this issue seems to agree on is that a massive, nation-wide roundup of ten million illegal aliens--men, women, and children of every age--is an impossibility.
Now, in order to find a solution, you need to first come to the realization that stopping the ones who aren't here from coming is a completely different issue than what to do about the ones who are already here.
They complain about the status quo - so when a plan comes to change the status quo in a manner that reflect reality, all hell breaks loose.
Somehow, their concerns about terrorism are hding the real agenda, IMO.
They can start deporting illegal criminals when they are arrested. Send them home! We don't need them. My family doesn't need the association with illegal criminals.
The basis of the President's plan is the only one I can see that will allow the BIG problem of illegal immigration to even think about being fixed.
The devil will be in the details.
And don't think that this ISN'T about politics and votes. It is. Even if it is as an afterthought.
That's the status quo...it isn't working.
Then hand them a $100 fine or something if it makes you feel any better. The bigger threat is from terror, not from line-jumping dishwashers.
Please...
A senior fellow from the Manhattan Institute being "ripped to shreds" by two rude disc jockeys?
I just heard the clip, they interrupt her, they will not respond to her questions, and do little more than throw hyperbole around when faced with hard facts.
Right because people such as yourself have an interest in it not working.
Only citizens can vote in federal elections. Non-citizens can not vote regardless of their legal status.
The political risk is people who are identified as Republicans making anti-Hispanic statements that will alienate all Hispanics, even the ones whose families were here before the American Revolution.
How about making them go back to the country of origin and waiting their turn?
Oh no, we can't do that now.
bs - if they have a job waiting, they get a visa and come right back.
If they can spend thousands on coyotes to go back and forth, they can spend that, on a one time basis, to be able to go back and forth on a continual basis.
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