- Until that time I just see them as vermin.
"The vermin are such a burden to us workers."
Posted on 02/23/2005 5:15:25 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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I don't care what we cut; there is plenty of waste. How about let's take it out of foreign aide to Mexico?
Many of us see this as a pressing National Security issue. I don't know very many Republicans who are against spending money on National Security. We have found $200 + billion to fight the war in Iraq so I think we could probably find a billion or two to protect our homeland.
FAIR has a study that shows that at the Federal level, net of the taxes they pay, illegals cost the Federal treasury $10 billion and the same studies show that if you legalize them and let them start collecting benefits that the cost to the treasury will climb to $29 billion net of the taxes they pay. How are you going to pay for that? Raise taxes? Cut programs?
After 3 or 6 years when all these guestworker visas start to expire, the guests are not going to want to leave and will revert to illegal status. How are you going to pay for the massive new Federal bureaucracy that will be required to send 9 million former guests home? Raise taxes? Cut programs? It seems to me that increasing the border patrol is cheaper than the alternatives.
I'm so sick of people who make excuses for LAW BREAKING.
And we are talking about a plan that will allow all these "guest workers" to become legal citizens.
I don't have a problem with that per se. But to say that the national partys don't see the votes that could be counted on in the future is naive.
How do you do that exactly?
Why would they do that?
That's a plan to satisfy sensitivities, not one that deals with reality.
Can you get through one discussion on this issue without lying about those who do not agree with you?
Illegal...send them back. I never called anyone a vermin btw.
The President's plan does NOT allow them to go to the front of the line.
The people saying it allows them to go to the front of the line are lying.
"Cancer...cure it."
See, we are finding solutions a mile a minute today.
Please Luis. Lying? And when I have ever lied on an issue in FR? Nevermind though... I can see where this thread is going, and I'm not getting suspended over you that's for sure.
Bush thinks that these people are going to come here for a few years, earn money and then return home. I got news for Bush. Once they get here, that ain't leaving baby! Once they get here, all they have to do is have a kid or two or three or four and guess what? They will NEVER be asked to leave. The American taxpayers will foot the bill for all of the kids to be born and then will will be forced to pay for their education, their healthcare, and whatever else that they need but can't afford on the small income that they make because they are uneducated and unskilled. This is the biggest scam that I have ever seen in the history of this country. The hard working and most successful people in this country are not only subsidizing the bottom 50% of the people in this country that pay no taxes, but now they are being asked to subsidize third world immigrants who have no business being in this country in the first place. (Not to mention subsidizing big business by displacing American workers jobs who they don't have to pay benefits too). This could be the issue that catapults the Democrats back in office in 2008.
You have me confused with a famous Texan.
I love it when people are sooooooo wrong.
Scenario: 2 people go to the local county hospital, 1 is illegal, 1 is a 59 yr old citizen who has worked his whole life.
The admitting clerk uses a 000-00-000 social sec # for the illegal and a 111-111-1111 soc sec # for the citizen.
Both are treated and released.
The illegal NEVER gets a bill and the citizen is hounded for the rest of his life by the hospital for unpaid bills.
The county hospital wrote off $7 mil in 000-00-000 soc sec #'s last yr.
The citizen died and his wife who is on social security is still getting calls from collection agencies.
How is this treated the same?
This is a real life scenario that happened to my mother and father.
And oh yeah, that $7 mil write off was paid by the taxpayers of the county.
I also used to work in the system so know this is how it is done.
The borders can't be sealed against laborers as long as the demand for them exists anymore than the borders could be sealed against alcohol during prohibition or drugs today. At best all you can do is drive the price up.
You lied by implying that I have no interest in finding a solution to the problem of illegal immigration, when in truth, I just don't agree with your lack of a solution being put up as a solution.
We need a solution, not a lithany of complaints about the problem itself.
If you are so worried about national security, why all the focus on MEXICO?
Is national security REALLY threatened by busboys, maids, janitors, gardeners, and nannies? I submit that the answer is no. So why are we wasting our time chasing after them instead of terrorists?
And Ward Churchhill is a tenured professor at the University of Colorado. What's your point? Academic credentials don't mean squat.
John and Ken interrupted her because every time they asked her a tough question she answered a different question. All she did was shill and spin.
Malkin and the plan's opponents complained that this plan could feasibly cost the US taxpayers somewhere in the neighborhood of $432 billion in benefits being paid to illegal aliens who came here, worked illegally, and returned to Mexico.
As we all know, Social Security is a "pay to play" plan; you can't collect if you didn't;t pay into it.
So, by her argument, Malkin admits to having lied in the past...illegal aliens have paid billion into the SS system, and trillions in unclaimed income taxes...how do you pay one without paying the other?
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