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Pope Calls Gay Marriage Part of 'Ideology of Evil'
Reuters ^ | Feb, 22, 2005 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks

ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.

He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.

The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.

In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.

In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.

"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"

In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.

"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; deviants; evil; fags; goodjohnpaul2; homosexualagenda; itsforthechildren; johnpaulii; perverts; queers; saintlyeye4queerguy; samesexmarriage; sin; vatican
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To: ultima ratio
The last I heard Rome had decided to drop its officially-declared 1961 prohibition against gays entering the seminaries.

You heard wrong--no surprise. Your Ph.D. is NOT in hearing well.

241 posted on 02/23/2005 6:00:27 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio

You are a schismatic by virtue of you clear, documented, "affinity" to SSPX--just as was declared by Rome.

Naturally, as with all men, denial is your first line of defense.


242 posted on 02/23/2005 6:04:01 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: savagesusie

Fides et Ratio is another monumental work--easy to understand, yet powerful.


243 posted on 02/23/2005 6:11:17 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio; savagesusie

Yeah--'man' is the path the Church must follow.

Difficult concept, eh? Do you recall who IS the 'man' the Church must follow?--the Man-in-Full? The very MODEL of 'man'?

Or is that just a little too challenging for you?

At some point, you may understand allegory. Take up the subject in your next Ph.D.


244 posted on 02/23/2005 6:14:23 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: saradippity
"I have done this and find that the "principles" I supported in common with many of you are no longer as important as I once thought they were. In fact,many of them were really out of step with scripture,which must never be contradicted by "tradition"."

That's what I meant when I said that you may not have originally grasped the principle, because to me and I'm sure to ultima and most of the others, looks roughly something like this if put super-simply:

Veritas, conversion of sinners, salvation of souls.

"My decreasing empathy and respect forced me to step beck an apply the "cui bono" to some positions and issues,and the result was a lessening of support for the hard Traditional positions and an increased understating and support for John Paul II and the Magisterium."

That's a fancy way of saying "losing focus".

If the Church is a she, and if the magisterium is mistakenly made out to be people or persons, then ecclesiastical liberalism starts looking a lot like the bride of Christ getting sweettalked into being unfaithful.

So I guess I should say thankyou to all of you.

I think you should be seeking to find and align with principle instead of with people.

245 posted on 02/23/2005 6:22:55 AM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: saradippity; ultima ratio
In other words, your position is nothing more than this:

"I perceive trads as being negative and gloomy. The pope, on the other hand, seems positive and happy. Therefore, he must be on to something which the trads are blind to."

That's really all it consists of in a nutshell. That's it. It's based on emotion and not on principle.

I say that they're not, and he's not.

But he's still my pontiff, the trads are still Catholic.

Figuring as traditional Catholicism is the only Catholicism there really is, only one person's going to be moving, and that's you, whether for good or for ill.

246 posted on 02/23/2005 6:39:10 AM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Dominick; saradippity

My post was on the topic--which concerned his remarks about homosexual marriage. Many wanted to make this a cause for celebration--people like yourself and saradippity--who are quick to mistake a few crumbs for a feast. I therefore distinguished between this pope's conservative moral message and his liberal message about the Catholic faith. Remember, it's not especially Catholic to say that homosexual unions are wrong--since many other faiths hold the same belief, and for the same reason, based on Natural Law. Even people with no faith at all can hold this view. JPII should not be given a pass for his failures in defending the Catholic faith on the basis of a few apt remarks on morality.


247 posted on 02/23/2005 6:44:57 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: patriot_wes

Sarcasm alert?


248 posted on 02/23/2005 6:51:35 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: ultima ratio

What is this about elevating a cardinal who denies the Ressurection and the Gospel miracles? I'd not heard of this. May I request a source for this?


249 posted on 02/23/2005 6:59:14 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: pascendi; saradippity

"I perceive trads as being negative and gloomy. The pope, on the other hand, seems positive and happy. Therefore, he must be on to something which the trads are blind to."

Are the victims of the tsunami happy? Such a yardstick is absurd. The Church is in ruins--caused by two men primarily--Paul VI and JPII. Of course JPII puts a good face on the catastrophe, talking about springtimes--but he has also complained a good deal as well. He is the one who blamed Europeans recently for their "silent apostasy" since Mass attendance on the continent has dropped to dangerously low levels even in formerly Catholic countries. And it was Paul VI who couldn't stop wringing his hands over how the Church was in a mode of auto-demolition. There's plenty of gloom to go around on both sides. The difference is that traditionalists perceive the cause and the remedy for disaster whereas the Novus Ordo Church, since it rejects Tradition in favor of unworkable novelties, doesn't seem to have a clue.



250 posted on 02/23/2005 7:02:11 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

The cardinal is Walter Kasper. He has rejected the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection in his work Jesus the Christ. He considers the Gospel miracles mere pious stories. For a brief analysis, read Brian Harrison's article "Fr. Eamon Bredin and the Resurrection" in which he cites Kasper as an unwholesome influence on Bredin.


251 posted on 02/23/2005 7:13:55 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio

I'll look into that. I'm praying that it's not so. That would be like a gut shot to me.


252 posted on 02/23/2005 7:24:24 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: ninenot

Since the SSPX is not schismatic--a fortiori, I am not.


253 posted on 02/23/2005 7:29:33 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

Sorry, but it's true. That is one of the reasons I make the fuss I do about this pontiff. His actions are inexplicable.


254 posted on 02/23/2005 7:32:14 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio

That's enough to make me feel physically ill...


255 posted on 02/23/2005 7:35:09 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: ultima ratio
Why would someone even want to be a priest if they deny the core of our beliefs, specifically, the Resurrection of our Risen Lord?
256 posted on 02/23/2005 7:36:19 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: ultima ratio
Are you telling us that a man (Kaspar) who doesn't believe in even the basic tenets of the Catholic faith was made a Cardinal and was put in charge of dialogue (ecumenism) with all other religion?

Who made a man like this a Cardinal? Was it John Paul or who? And why would a Pope want a man like this to be the public face between the Church and all othe religions?

257 posted on 02/23/2005 8:06:12 AM PST by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Viva Giovanni Paolo II!


258 posted on 02/23/2005 8:19:06 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: conserv13
The Pope has said and done many great things, but the comment on gays is not one of them. Gay marriage is evil?

Of course it is. But I wouldn't expect a libertarian to understand.
259 posted on 02/23/2005 8:20:43 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: It's me

HAHA!!!!! I didn't say I was perfect. But, then again, maybe you should also direct that comment to the certain persons who call me schismatic, when they don't even know what my beliefs are.


260 posted on 02/23/2005 8:21:18 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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