Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.
In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.
The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.
In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.
"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.
In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.
"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.
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You heard wrong--no surprise. Your Ph.D. is NOT in hearing well.
You are a schismatic by virtue of you clear, documented, "affinity" to SSPX--just as was declared by Rome.
Naturally, as with all men, denial is your first line of defense.
Fides et Ratio is another monumental work--easy to understand, yet powerful.
Yeah--'man' is the path the Church must follow.
Difficult concept, eh? Do you recall who IS the 'man' the Church must follow?--the Man-in-Full? The very MODEL of 'man'?
Or is that just a little too challenging for you?
At some point, you may understand allegory. Take up the subject in your next Ph.D.
That's what I meant when I said that you may not have originally grasped the principle, because to me and I'm sure to ultima and most of the others, looks roughly something like this if put super-simply:
Veritas, conversion of sinners, salvation of souls.
"My decreasing empathy and respect forced me to step beck an apply the "cui bono" to some positions and issues,and the result was a lessening of support for the hard Traditional positions and an increased understating and support for John Paul II and the Magisterium."
That's a fancy way of saying "losing focus".
If the Church is a she, and if the magisterium is mistakenly made out to be people or persons, then ecclesiastical liberalism starts looking a lot like the bride of Christ getting sweettalked into being unfaithful.
So I guess I should say thankyou to all of you.
I think you should be seeking to find and align with principle instead of with people.
"I perceive trads as being negative and gloomy. The pope, on the other hand, seems positive and happy. Therefore, he must be on to something which the trads are blind to."
That's really all it consists of in a nutshell. That's it. It's based on emotion and not on principle.
I say that they're not, and he's not.
But he's still my pontiff, the trads are still Catholic.
Figuring as traditional Catholicism is the only Catholicism there really is, only one person's going to be moving, and that's you, whether for good or for ill.
My post was on the topic--which concerned his remarks about homosexual marriage. Many wanted to make this a cause for celebration--people like yourself and saradippity--who are quick to mistake a few crumbs for a feast. I therefore distinguished between this pope's conservative moral message and his liberal message about the Catholic faith. Remember, it's not especially Catholic to say that homosexual unions are wrong--since many other faiths hold the same belief, and for the same reason, based on Natural Law. Even people with no faith at all can hold this view. JPII should not be given a pass for his failures in defending the Catholic faith on the basis of a few apt remarks on morality.
Sarcasm alert?
What is this about elevating a cardinal who denies the Ressurection and the Gospel miracles? I'd not heard of this. May I request a source for this?
"I perceive trads as being negative and gloomy. The pope, on the other hand, seems positive and happy. Therefore, he must be on to something which the trads are blind to."
Are the victims of the tsunami happy? Such a yardstick is absurd. The Church is in ruins--caused by two men primarily--Paul VI and JPII. Of course JPII puts a good face on the catastrophe, talking about springtimes--but he has also complained a good deal as well. He is the one who blamed Europeans recently for their "silent apostasy" since Mass attendance on the continent has dropped to dangerously low levels even in formerly Catholic countries. And it was Paul VI who couldn't stop wringing his hands over how the Church was in a mode of auto-demolition. There's plenty of gloom to go around on both sides. The difference is that traditionalists perceive the cause and the remedy for disaster whereas the Novus Ordo Church, since it rejects Tradition in favor of unworkable novelties, doesn't seem to have a clue.
The cardinal is Walter Kasper. He has rejected the Gospel accounts of the Resurrection in his work Jesus the Christ. He considers the Gospel miracles mere pious stories. For a brief analysis, read Brian Harrison's article "Fr. Eamon Bredin and the Resurrection" in which he cites Kasper as an unwholesome influence on Bredin.
I'll look into that. I'm praying that it's not so. That would be like a gut shot to me.
Since the SSPX is not schismatic--a fortiori, I am not.
Sorry, but it's true. That is one of the reasons I make the fuss I do about this pontiff. His actions are inexplicable.
That's enough to make me feel physically ill...
Who made a man like this a Cardinal? Was it John Paul or who? And why would a Pope want a man like this to be the public face between the Church and all othe religions?
Viva Giovanni Paolo II!
HAHA!!!!! I didn't say I was perfect. But, then again, maybe you should also direct that comment to the certain persons who call me schismatic, when they don't even know what my beliefs are.
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