Posted on 02/22/2005 11:29:33 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
Per foxnews alert!
Great picture. We are all children, its just that some of us don’t know it.
As permanently disabled individual who has accepted God’s will for my life, I wish I had a nickel for every time a person has incorrectly interpreted FOR me as to what my abilities are and what they cannot possibly be. A nickel for every ignorant, uneducated remark based on one thing, Fear. Folks are just terrified at the site of a relatively young person with such a fate. That is what so much of this “pull the feeding tube” talk is about. Fear.
Not just fear for that this could happen to them. But that they might be “stuck” taking care of such a one. We can forgive them their humanity.
God and I alone can decide when the jig is up. This judge apparently confuses himself with God. He is making a decision based on his own fears, not on the law.
All evidence introduced in previous trials as to Terri’s wishes is inadmissible as hearsay.
Pray for Terri AND the Judge.
Well it is almost time for the hearing to start---it is time for group prayer---please send prayers to the lawyer for Terri, that he find the right words to convince the judge---pray for the judge to make the right decision, and most of all pray for Terri and her family---
Am praying as I go about my day. God be with Terri.
At this point, it may be necessary that one Bush or the other Bush must be with Terri.
I'm thinking she will be saved....... for what is is worth.
Prayers.
Good for you including the Bush brothers--I have also, because it may boil down to pleading with one of them to use their "executive" powers to try to help out--
exactly!
How well-versed are you in the hearsay rules? I'm no expert (and frankly, anyone who is would frighten me, LOL), but there are about 36 "typical" exceptions (depending on your jurisdiction), numerous exceptions to those exceptions, as well as hearsay that is defined as non-hearsay... and then there's a multitude of ways to get the statements in if you can argue that the other side raised the issue in a collateral way.
Thank you
Jeb has tried, more than once, I think, as has their Legislature. The problem is the Judiciary of Florida, especially their Supreme Court. (You know, the ones who said it would be fine to do an election recount 17 days after the law explicitly allowed, and that the recount could be done in a few hand-picked counties, and that doing so wouldn't actually be changing the rules of an election after-the-fact.)
I don't think that any of us, especially this judge, and Schiavo, can say what we would want, or what we would endure just to keep living!!!
I have seen shows on War Stories about terrible injured and burned veterans that have said that despite the pain, and disfigurment, that they would never want to DIE!!!
I think that if this judge sat an thought about what he would say to Terri IF he went to heaven and she walked up to him and asked him why he put her to a painful death?
What would he say?
Another 48 hours granted 2/23/2005, 4 PM EST.
In case you want to change the title of this instead of starting a new thread.... See post 415. Heard at the news at the top of the hour...
If I were Terry's parents, being tortured by all of this, I'd wonder why isn't it just that simple.
You're absolutely correct!
Re: "There are serious questions about what happened to cause her to collapse as there was never discovered in tests the "chemical imbalance" that the news media always falsely reports."
You said:
"No, I understand you read that a lot, but it just is not true."
Obviously Trinity_Tx -
You have Not read the medical examination and evaluation of Terri by the world reknowned neurolistist, WILLIAM M. HAMMESFAHR, M.D. who was the 1999 Nominee for Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology.
He was also 1 of 113 worldwide nominations in Medicine and Physiology who was nominated for the advances in stroke and brain injury. He was awarded 1998 Outstanding Young American - For - discoveries in stroke and brain injury treatment among other awards.
It sounds to me like HE ought to know about strokes and brain injury!
This is partially what he said: "In the Emergency Room, a possible diagnosis of heart attack was briefly entertained, but then dismissed after blood chemistries and serial EKG's - did Not show evidence of a heart attack.
Similarly, a pulmonary or lung cause of the disorder was ruled out in the Emergency Room after normal blood gases and Chest X-Rays were obtained. The possibility of toxic shock syndrome was also entertained. The diagnosis of the cause of her condition was unknown.
Her admission laboratory studies showed low potassium level, markedly elevated glucose level, and a normal toxic screen - Without evidence of diet pills or amphetamines.
The abnormal potassium level and sugar level were found on admission to the Emergency Room and were successfully corrected by the hospital staff over the next several days."
He also said several times: ENT: The patient can clearly swallow, and is able to swallow approximately 2 liters of water per day (the daily amount of saliva generated).
Water is one of the most difficult things for people to swallow. It is unlikely that she currently needs the feeding tube. She should be evaluated by an Ear Nose and Throat specialist, and have a new swallowing exam.
Spinal Exam: The patient's exam from a spinal perspective is abnormal. The degree of limitation of range of motion, and of spasms in her neck, is consistent with a neck injury.
The abnormal sensory exam, that shows evidence of her hypoxic encephalopathic strokes (right side sensory responses are different from left) also suggests a spinal cord injury at around the level of C4. Her physical exam and videotapes also suggest a spinal cord injury is also present, as she has much better control over he face, head, and neck, than over her arms and legs.
This reminds one of a person with a spinal cord injury who has good facial control, but poor use of arms and legs. It is possible that a correctable spinal abnormality such as a herniated disk may be found that could be treated and result in better neurological functioning. This should be looked for, as may be treatable. Thus, there may be an injured disk or spinal cord; the disk injury is more treatable, the spinal cord injury, if present without a disk injury, may be more difficult to treat.
A person with a spinal cord injury and hypoxic encephalopathy will need different treatment and rehab recommendations than one who just has a hypoxic encephalopathic.
Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain (cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once before, a patient who was Asphyxiated.
About the other doctors who examined:
During 1998, she was evaluated by Dr. James Barnhill, neurologist, who testified that he examined her for ten minutes and determined that she had no chance for recovery, and was in a persistent vegetative state.
How much can you determine in a short 10 minute exam?
Dr. William Hammesfahr further said:
On September 3, I spent from approximately 11AM until 4PM with Ms. Schiavo, returning the next day to also observe Dr. Maxfield and complete my portion of the exam (which - duplicated that of Dr. Maxfield, so I observed without myself specifically repeating that part of the exam that same day).
This is what Dr. William Hammesfahr's evaluation was after those Two days/10 hours of Extensive tests -
Impression:
The patient is not in coma.
She is alert and responsive to her environment. She responds to specific people best.
She tries to please others by doing activities for which she gets verbal praise.
She responds negatively to poor tone of voice.
She responds to music.
She differentiates sounds from voices.
She differentiates specific people's voices from others.
She differentiates music from stray sound.
She attempts to verbalize.
She has voluntary control over multiple extremities
She can swallow.
She is partially blind
She is probably aphasic and has a degree of receptive aphasia.
She can feel pain.
Now which exam will you trust - a 10 minute one - or a thorough ten hour/two day examination exam by two prominant doctors?
Please read: http://www.ginzell.net/hammesfahr_interview_startling_revelations.html
For an notes from the January 7, 2004, Highway 2 Health Internet broadcast - an Interview featuring Dr. Hammesfahr.
I had a friend who died of cystic fibrosis at 42. What a retched disease that is. He coughed so hard he would break his ribs. Always battling life threatening infections. Yet, he told me "I love my life". Amazing.
Thanks. That is a powerful two lines of testimony that should help us all endure the horror awaiting us this weekend.
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