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He still deserves a carry permit(the saga continues)
pioneer press ^ | 2-22-05 | mark yost

Posted on 02/22/2005 6:11:45 AM PST by Rakkasan1

There was one factual error in my column last week about Matthew Dirks, the Iraq veteran who was denied a concealed carry permit. He needs a state armed guard license, which has requirements above and beyond the simple carry permit.

In my defense, everyone I spoke to confirmed that Dirks needed a "carry permit." I apologize for the error, but it in no way diminishes my point, which was: If an Army combat veteran, trained to use a variety of weapons, can't have a carry permit, who can?

St. Paul Police spokesman Paul Schnell called to answer that question. He said Chief John Harrington was merely being consistent in only issuing work-related permits. In other words, the chief believes that the ability to defend yourself is a work requirement, not an inalienable right, as the Founders believed.

Schnell also noted that the chief liked it much better when the Minnesota Personal Protection Act was in force. He said it took the guesswork out of the process.

I also received several e-mails, mostly from the (nowhere near) Million Moms, chastising me for the column and alleging bias. Of course I'm biased; I'm an editorial columnist. That should be clear even to the Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, the group that thinks no one — not even Matthew Dirks — should have a gun.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; carry; concealed; gun; list; mn; mppa; permit
Minions of Morons seems more appropo than "Million Moms"
1 posted on 02/22/2005 6:11:54 AM PST by Rakkasan1
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To: Rakkasan1; Cyrano; shaggy eel; blackie; Tailgunner Joe
In other words, the chief believes that the ability to defend yourself is a work requirement, not an inalienable right, as the Founders believed.

IMO In this society nowadays being in the military *is* a need to defend yourself because of a work requirement anyway.

Pathetic. No one who has a permit through the reformed law knows if when or where they can carry. We got a letter from the sherrif saying essentially "since no one knows what the **** is going on, just don't carry."

Oh, yeah, THAT is a solution. /sarcasm

2 posted on 02/22/2005 6:14:57 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Rakkasan1

Every respectable citizen needs a carry permit.


3 posted on 02/22/2005 6:15:41 AM PST by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (heinlien).)
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To: Terriergal

...and guarding other's money is more important than one's own life.I thought libs should be opposed to such BS


4 posted on 02/22/2005 6:17:57 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (no government program is ever a failure-it's just 'underfunded'...)
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To: Vaquero
"Every respectable citizen needs a carry permit."

Wrong. NO "respectable citizen" should need a permit of any sort to carry a weapon of any type, whether concealed or openly.

5 posted on 02/22/2005 6:18:31 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Rakkasan1
It always amazes me that people thing the source of violence and death is 'guns'. As if BEFORE guns there was less crime and war... HAH! Yeah, that is right you MM morons, there was no evil in the world before guns and bombs. Yup, no crime no war, just peace and happiness.

What amazes me even more is WOMEN against guns. Guns are the only device in the world that a petite woman can conceal and with minimal training will effectively save her from even the most large and strong man on the planet. No other engineered device or kung fu trick can claim that. Nothing. How can they be against the only tool that provides that? Unless the truly believe that nonsense in my first paragraph I can see no possible reason they can be against it.
6 posted on 02/22/2005 6:19:37 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Rakkasan1

Why can't a person take a safety course and use a card issues by the course instructors as his carry permit? Certified instructors could be given access to criminal databases to make sure the person being trained has no felony record.


7 posted on 02/22/2005 6:22:51 AM PST by Casloy
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To: jdege

MPPA ping.


8 posted on 02/22/2005 6:24:10 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (What if they had to hold a bake sale to pay for the salaries at NPR?)
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To: Casloy

In Virginia, they take a safety course unless they were military and can produce a DD 214, take the certificate to the court, who does the bg check, and if all is well, within 45 days, a permit SHALL-BE issued.


9 posted on 02/22/2005 6:33:32 AM PST by HMFIC (Fourth Generation American INFIDEL and PROUD OF IT!)
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To: Rakkasan1
Last count, there were only six of them in Minnesota.

Four of them in Duluth.

Though if the turnout at their last State Capitol rally is indication, their numbers are in decline.

(It really sucks when only one station sends out a camera crew to cover an event and the media still outnumbers your supporters.)

10 posted on 02/22/2005 6:33:59 AM PST by jdege
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To: Rakkasan1
I want to thank those Millions of Moms who got me off my arse to be a dues-paying member of the NRA. I'll bet there was quite a spike in their membership trendline that month!
11 posted on 02/22/2005 6:36:56 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Terriergal
The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!
12 posted on 02/22/2005 8:16:55 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Wonder Warthog; Terriergal

Roger that ~ The 2nd Amendment says nothing about a concealed carry permit!

BTW ~ I do have one, though. :):)

What part of "the right of the people
to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" don't those fools understand!


13 posted on 02/22/2005 8:24:24 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Vaquero
Every respectable citizen needs a carry permit.

Ideally, being a respectable citizen would constitute a carry permit in itself.

14 posted on 02/22/2005 8:26:35 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

Yes......yes it would.


15 posted on 02/22/2005 8:28:57 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: Wonder Warthog

Agree. Any honest person of normal intelligence understands the unalienable right to self defense. Therefore, we need to question the motives of those who want to remove our ability to defend ourselves. There is an excellent documentary produced by JPFO.com called INNOCENTS BETRAYED which explores and answers the question. Tyrants love gun control.


16 posted on 02/22/2005 8:36:49 AM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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To: PaRebel
"Tyrants love gun control."

Got it in one! The SINGLE question you need to ask any politician is what his or her position is regarding the Second Amendment and the RKBA. The answer will tell you all you really need to know about that politicians REAL position on individual liberty.

17 posted on 02/22/2005 3:23:23 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The only thing I ever agreed with "Mousey Tongue" on was his reputed statement that "political power comes from the barrel of a gun". Therefore, since our nation's founding was on the premise that POWER flows from the PEOPLE to the government, it stands that the PEOPLE should have guns. I think that is exactly what the Founders intended.


18 posted on 02/23/2005 5:23:20 AM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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