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A genius explains - [an autistic savant describes how he thinks]
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | February 12, 2005 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 02/19/2005 6:45:18 PM PST by snarks_when_bored

A genius explains

Daniel Tammet is an autistic savant. He can perform mind-boggling mathematical calculations at breakneck speeds. But unlike other savants, who can perform similar feats, Tammet can describe how he does it. He speaks seven languages and is even devising his own language. Now scientists are asking whether his exceptional abilities are the key to unlock the secrets of autism. Interview by Richard Johnson

Richard Johnson
Saturday February 12, 2005

Guardian

Daniel Tammet is talking. As he talks, he studies my shirt and counts the stitches. Ever since the age of three, when he suffered an epileptic fit, Tammet has been obsessed with counting. Now he is 26, and a mathematical genius who can figure out cube roots quicker than a calculator and recall pi to 22,514 decimal places. He also happens to be autistic, which is why he can't drive a car, wire a plug, or tell right from left. He lives with extraordinary ability and disability.

Tammet is calculating 377 multiplied by 795. Actually, he isn't "calculating": there is nothing conscious about what he is doing. He arrives at the answer instantly. Since his epileptic fit, he has been able to see numbers as shapes, colours and textures. The number two, for instance, is a motion, and five is a clap of thunder. "When I multiply numbers together, I see two shapes. The image starts to change and evolve, and a third shape emerges. That's the answer. It's mental imagery. It's like maths without having to think."

Tammet is a "savant", an individual with an astonishing, extraordinary mental ability. An estimated 10% of the autistic population - and an estimated 1% of the non-autistic population - have savant abilities, but no one knows exactly why. A number of scientists now hope that Tammet might help us to understand better. Professor Allan Snyder, from the Centre for the Mind at the Australian National University in Canberra, explains why Tammet is of particular, and international, scientific interest. "Savants can't usually tell us how they do what they do," says Snyder. "It just comes to them. Daniel can. He describes what he sees in his head. That's why he's exciting. He could be the Rosetta Stone."

There are many theories about savants. Snyder, for instance, believes that we all possess the savant's extraordinary abilities - it is just a question of us learning how to access them. "Savants have usually had some kind of brain damage. Whether it's an onset of dementia later in life, a blow to the head or, in the case of Daniel, an epileptic fit. And it's that brain damage which creates the savant. I think that it's possible for a perfectly normal person to have access to these abilities, so working with Daniel could be very instructive."

Scans of the brains of autistic savants suggest that the right hemisphere might be compensating for damage in the left hemisphere. While many savants struggle with language and comprehension (skills associated primarily with the left hemisphere), they often have amazing skills in mathematics and memory (primarily right hemisphere skills). Typically, savants have a limited vocabulary, but there is nothing limited about Tammet's vocabulary.

Tammet is creating his own language, strongly influenced by the vowel and image-rich languages of northern Europe. (He already speaks French, German, Spanish, Lithuanian, Icelandic and Esperanto.) The vocabulary of his language - "Mänti", meaning a type of tree - reflects the relationships between different things. The word "ema", for instance, translates as "mother", and "ela" is what a mother creates: "life". "Päike" is "sun", and "päive" is what the sun creates: "day". Tammet hopes to launch Mänti in academic circles later this year, his own personal exploration of the power of words and their inter-relationship.

Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, director of the Autism Research Centre (ARC) at Cambridge University, is interested in what Mänti might teach us about savant ability. "I know of other savants who also speak a lot of languages," says Baron-Cohen. "But it's rare for them to be able to reflect on how they do it - let alone create a language of their own." The ARC team has started scanning Tammet's brain to find out if there are modules (for number, for example, or for colour, or for texture) that are connected in a way that is different from most of us. "It's too early to tell, but we hope it might throw some light on why we don't all have savant abilities."

Last year Tammet broke the European record for recalling pi, the mathematical constant, to the furthest decimal point. He found it easy, he says, because he didn't even have to "think". To him, pi isn't an abstract set of digits; it's a visual story, a film projected in front of his eyes. He learnt the number forwards and backwards and, last year, spent five hours recalling it in front of an adjudicator. He wanted to prove a point. "I memorised pi to 22,514 decimal places, and I am technically disabled. I just wanted to show people that disability needn't get in the way."

Tammet is softly spoken, and shy about making eye contact, which makes him seem younger than he is. He lives on the Kent coast, but never goes near the beach - there are too many pebbles to count. The thought of a mathematical problem with no solution makes him feel uncomfortable. Trips to the supermarket are always a chore. "There's too much mental stimulus. I have to look at every shape and texture. Every price, and every arrangement of fruit and vegetables. So instead of thinking,'What cheese do I want this week?', I'm just really uncomfortable."

Tammet has never been able to work 9 to 5. It would be too difficult to fit around his daily routine. For instance, he has to drink his cups of tea at exactly the same time every day. Things have to happen in the same order: he always brushes his teeth before he has his shower. "I have tried to be more flexible, but I always end up feeling more uncomfortable. Retaining a sense of control is really important. I like to do things in my own time, and in my own style, so an office with targets and bureaucracy just wouldn't work."

Instead, he has set up a business on his own, at home, writing email courses in language learning, numeracy and literacy for private clients. It has had the fringe benefit of keeping human interaction to a minimum. It also gives him time to work on the verb structures of Mänti.

Few people on the streets have recognised Tammet since his pi record attempt. But, when a documentary about his life is broadcast on Channel 5 later this year, all that will change. "The highlight of filming was to meet Kim Peek, the real-life character who inspired the film Rain Man. Before I watched Rain Man, I was frightened. As a nine-year-old schoolboy, you don't want people to point at the screen and say, 'That's you.' But I watched it, and felt a real connection. Getting to meet the real-life Rain Man was inspirational."

Peek was shy and introspective, but he sat and held Tammet's hand for hours. "We shared so much - our love of key dates from history, for instance. And our love of books. As a child, I regularly took over a room in the house and started my own lending library. I would separate out fiction and non-fiction, and then alphabetise them all. I even introduced a ticketing system. I love books so much. I've read more books than anyone else I know. So I was delighted when Kim wanted to meet in a library." Peek can read two pages simultaneously, one with each eye. He can also recall, in exact detail, the 7,600 books he has read. When he is at home in Utah, he spends afternoons at the Salt Lake City public library, memorising phone books and address directories."He is such a lovely man," says Tammet. "Kim says, 'You don't have to be handicapped to be different - everybody's different'. And he's right."

Like Peek, Tammet will read anything and everything, but his favourite book is a good dictionary, or the works of GK Chesterton. "With all those aphorisms," he says, "Chesterton was the Groucho Marx of his day." Tammet is also a Christian, and likes the fact that Chesterton addressed some complex religious ideas. "The other thing I like is that, judging by the descriptions of his home life, I reckon Chesterton was a savant. He couldn't dress himself, and would always forget where he was going. His poor wife."

Autistic savants have displayed a wide range of talents, from reciting all nine volumes of Grove's Dictionary Of Music to measuring exact distances with the naked eye. The blind American savant Leslie Lemke played Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No1, after he heard it for the first time, and he never had so much as a piano lesson. And the British savant Stephen Wiltshire was able to draw a highly accurate map of the London skyline from memory after a single helicopter trip over the city. Even so, Tammet could still turn out to be the more significant.

He was born on January 31 1979. He smiles as he points out that 31, 19, 79 and 1979 are all prime numbers - it's a kind of sign. He was actually born with another surname, which he prefers to keep private, but decided to change it by deed poll. It didn't fit with the way he saw himself. "I first saw 'Tammet' online. It means oak tree in Estonian, and I liked that association. Besides, I've always had a love of Estonian. Such a vowel rich language."

As a baby, he banged his head against the wall and cried constantly. Nobody knew what was wrong. His mother was anxious, and would swing him to sleep in a blanket. She breastfed him for two years. The only thing the doctors could say was that perhaps he was understimulated. Then, one afternoon when he was playing with his brother in the living room, he had an epileptic fit.

"I was given medication - round blue tablets - to control my seizures, and told not to go out in direct sunlight. I had to visit the hospital every month for regular blood tests. I hated those tests, but I knew they were necessary. To make up for it, my father would always buy me a cup of squash to drink while we sat in the waiting room. It was a worrying time because my Dad's father had epilepsy, and actually died of it, in the end. They were thinking, 'This is the end of Daniel's life'."

Tammet's mother was a secretarial assistant, and his father a steelplate worker. "They both left school without qualifications, but they made us feel special - all nine of us. As the oldest of nine, I suppose it's fair to say I've always felt special." Even if his younger brothers and sisters could throw and catch better than him, swim better, kick a ball better, Daniel was always the oldest. "They loved me because I was their big brother and I could read them stories."

He remembers being given a Ladybird book called Counting when he was four. "When I looked at the numbers I 'saw' images. It felt like a place I could go where I really belonged. That was great. I went to this other country whenever I could. I would sit on the floor in my bedroom and just count. I didn't notice that time was passing. It was only when my Mum shouted up for dinner, or someone knocked at my door, that I would snap out of it."

One day his brother asked him a sum. "He asked me to multiply something in my head - like 'What is 82 x 82 x 82 x 82?' I just looked at the floor and closed my eyes. My back went very straight and I made my hands into fists. But after five or 10 seconds, the answer just flowed out of my mouth. He asked me several others, and I got every one right. My parents didn't seem surprised. And they never put pressure on me to perform for the neighbours. They knew I was different, but wanted me to have a normal life as far as possible."

Tammet could see the car park of his infant school from his bedroom window, which made him feel safe. "I loved assembly because we got to sing hymns. The notes formed a pattern in my head, just like the numbers did." The other children didn't know what to make of him, and would tease him. The minute the bell went for playtime he would rush off. "I went to the playground, but not to play. The place was surrounded by trees. While the other children were playing football, I would just stand and count the leaves."

As Tammet grew older, he developed an obsessive need to collect - everything from conkers to newspapers. "I remember seeing a ladybird for the first time," he says. "I loved it so much, I went round searching every hedge and every leaf for more. I collected hundreds, and took them to show the teacher. He was amazed, and asked me to get on with some assignment. While I was busy he instructed a classmate to take the tub outside and let the ladybirds go. I was so upset that I cried when I found out. He didn't understand my world."

Tammet may have been teased at school, but his teachers were always protective. "I think my parents must have had a word with them, so I was pretty much left alone." He found it hard to socialise with anyone outside the family, and, with the advent of adolesence, his shyness got worse.

After leaving school with three A-levels (History, French and German, all grade Bs), he decided he wanted to teach - only not the predictable, learn-by-rote type of teaching. For a start, he went to teach in Lithuania, and he worked as a volunteer. "Because I was there of my own free will, I was given a lot of leeway. The times of the classes weren't set in stone, and the structures were all of my own making. It was also the first time I was introduced as 'Daniel' rather than 'the guy who can do weird stuff in his head'. It was such a pleasant relief." Later, he returned home to live with his parents, and found work as a maths tutor.

He met the great love of his life, a software engineer called Neil, online. It began, as these things do, with emailed pictures, but ended up with a face-to-face meeting. "Because I can't drive, Neil offered to pick me up at my parents' house, and drive me back to his house in Kent. He was silent all the way back. I thought, 'Oh dear, this isn't going well'. Just before we got to his house, he stopped the car. He reached over and pulled out a bouquet of flowers. I only found out later that he was quiet because he likes to concentrate when he's driving."

Neil is shy, like Tammet. They live, happily, on a quiet cul-de-sac. The only aspect of Tammet's autism that causes them problems is his lack of empathy. "There's a saying in Judaism, if somebody has a relative who has hanged themselves, don't ask them where you should hang your coat. I need to remember that. Like the time I kept quizzing a friend of Neil's who had just lost her mother. I was asking her all these questions about faith and death. But that's down to my condition - no taboos."

When he isn't working, Tammet likes to hang out with his friends on the church quiz team. His knowledge of popular culture lets him down, but he's a shoo-in when it comes to the maths questions. "I do love numbers," he says. "It isn't only an intellectual or aloof thing that I do. I really feel that there is an emotional attachment, a caring for numbers. I think this is a human thing - in the same way that a poet humanises a river or a tree through metaphor, my world gives me a sense of numbers as personal. It sounds silly, but numbers are my friends."

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2005


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To: bondserv
Have you seen THIS yet???
 
 
 
 
 

Hal Lindsey Hal Lindsey
WND Exclusive Commentary
Revived Sanhedrin discusses Temple

Posted: February 17, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Two remarkable developments took place recently that are extremely relevant to students of Bible prophecy.

For the first time in 1,600 years, the Israeli Sanhedrin was re-established. It occurred in Tiberius, the site of the Sanhedrin's last meeting in AD 425.

On Jan. 20, IsraelNN.com reported:

A unique ceremony – probably only the second of its kind in the past 1,600 years – is taking place in Tiberius today: The launching of a Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish-legal tribunal in the land of Israel.

The Sanhedrin, a religious assembly that convened in one of the Holy Temple chambers in Jerusalem [before AD 70], comprised 71 sages and existed during the Tannaitic period, from several decades before the Common Era until roughly 425 C.E.

Details of today's ceremony are still sketchy, but the organizers' announced their intention to convene 71 rabbis who have received special rabbinic ordination as specified by Maimonides.

These religious authorities believe it was necessary to re-establish the Sanhedrin because only this properly ordained body of sages can authenticate a Messiah when he comes. There is a growing expectation of the long-awaited Messiah to appear among devout Jews. The rebirth of the Jewish state and recapture of Jerusalem has increasingly influenced this conviction.

On Feb. 9, just a few weeks after the Sanhedrin's re-establishment, another enormously important development took place. The religious sages began to consider the rebuilding of the Temple and reinstitution of ancient animal sacrifices as prescribed in the Law of Moses.

The first step toward facilitating this monumental endeavor was to seek to determine the exact location of the Temple's foundation. Sanhedrin spokesman Rabbi Chaim Richman told Arutz-7:

It is appropriate that the Sanhedrin convened to discuss this lofty matter of the Temple's location this week ... the Sanhedrin continues to move toward strengthening the nation of Israel.

As all these things happen all around us, the Sanhedrin is researching ways to renew the deepest roots of our faith – to renew Temple service, reunite Jewish legal tradition and inspire the Jewish people to aspire to greatness. Our people have one path before us, and we will continue to march toward our destiny.

Sanhedrin member Rabbi Yisrael Ariel is the most ardent believer that the Temple is to be rebuilt in this generation. He is the former Yeshiva head, founder of the Temple Institute, and one of the paratroopers who took part in the 1967 liberation of the Temple Mount. He said:

People today ask, "Who are we in this generation to even consider building the Temple?" But in this week's Torah portion we see that the commandment to build a Temple was given to Jews who had just sinned and committed idolatry in the Sin of the Golden Calf. The fact is that what God requires in this world is for regular people to do their best. That is what we are trying to do.

The most difficult problem is to determine with certainty exactly where the previous Temple's foundations are. Muslims have not allowed Israeli archeologists to do archeological research on the Temple grounds. As a matter of fact, the Muslim custodians of this area, which they believe is their Third Holiest site, have systematically sought to destroy and remove any archeological evidence of Israel ever having a Temple there.

The Sanhedrin determined that there are only two viable theories as to where the Temple stood. One teaches that the Temple stood on the same basic site on which the Muslim mosque known as the Dome of the Rock was built.

The second theory (which I am convinced is the most accurate) is that the Temple was built north of the Dome of the Rock. Dr. Asher Kaufman developed this theory, using certain archeological evidences that he found before the Muslim's destroyed them. However, the most important archeological sign is the position of the Eastern Gate. According to ancient accounts of the Temple, its east-west centerline passed through the center of the Eastern Gate.

We have absolute evidence as to where the ancient Eastern Gate stood. I have viewed personally the remains of the ancient Eastern Gate, which is located under the modern Gate that was built on top of its ruins.

While photographing the area in 1983 for my book, "A Prophetical Walk Through The Holy Land," I sought to verify Dr. Kaufman's theory. I established the east-west centerline from the Eastern Gate. Then I received one of the most supernatural visitations of my life. My mind was suddenly flooded with a couple of verses that had been a mystery to me.

This is what I was shown. "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, 'Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.'" (Revelation 11:1-2 NIV) So I measured off the distance from the centerline to the point where the wall of the inner court would stand. There was at least 6 meters clearance from the nearest points of the Dome of the Rock and the Temple inner-court wall. The Apostle John clearly predicts that "the outer court was not to be included in the rebuilt Temple, because it was given to the Gentiles."

So what does all this mean? The Temple can be rebuilt and stand alongside the Dome of the Rock without disturbing it. And since the outer court, also known as the Court of the Gentiles, is given to the Gentiles in this period just before the Messiah comes, it infers that there would be a Gentile building there, i.e., the Dome of the Rock.

The fact that a re-established Sanhedrin is now considering the rebuilding of the Temple after 2,000 years is extremely important to students of Bible prophecy. I believe that we are very near the final climactic events that end with the Second Coming of Christ. 


201 posted on 02/21/2005 12:46:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: longshadow
Show Pn true for n=0 or 1

Show Pn true for n=k => Pn true for n=k+1.

By induction, Pn is true for all n in the Natural numbers.

Extra credit/geek alert: what axioms are specifically required for the last step (the induction step) to be true?


Why, isn't it intuitively obvious to the most casual observer?...
202 posted on 02/21/2005 1:51:28 PM PST by NonLinear ("If not instantaneous, then extrordinarily fast" - Galileo re. speed of light. circa 1600)
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To: NonLinear
Why, isn't it intuitively obvious to the most casual observer?...

Well, it is.... to some of us!

;-)

203 posted on 02/21/2005 2:31:28 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Abcdefg

Amazing coincidence, I'm an idiot savant. Well, except for the savant part...


Me too, but I'm usually over at DU where I feel at home.


204 posted on 02/21/2005 2:41:31 PM PST by DOGEY
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To: Earthdweller

This does sound like Asperger's which runs in my family. It is sad and scary and its like functional autism. Sometimes I feel it come out in me and see it in my brothers. They are all geniuses but we all battle social demons to one degree or another.

I am lucky in that I have it the least. It does make you super, scary smart but a pain to be around. The one saving grace in recent years is the fact its being talked about. Michelangelo and Mozart are now considered likely sufferers. Most aspergers are refered to as nerds.


205 posted on 02/21/2005 2:58:49 PM PST by johnnycap
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To: Elsie

Time to put on our game faces!


206 posted on 02/21/2005 4:15:13 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: snarks_when_bored

bttt


207 posted on 02/21/2005 4:22:25 PM PST by Vision (The New York Times...All the news to fit a one world government)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Yeah, thats a fascinating article. I also agree with your analysis about what makes for a mathematical genius. Seems to me it is no more genius than a savant who is capable of sculpting anything he feels. It is amazing, but it is not genius for he has no ability for abstract.. to create a thing out of imagination. If I see anything ingenious about this kid, it would be more in the area of understanding of language, into which he is exploring unknown avenues.
208 posted on 02/21/2005 4:31:49 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: Earthdweller
That is interesting, had never heard of that. that may answer some questions about myself. I have always known there was something different, but could not put my finger on it. A tendency to get what my friends call the stares, and a few other things. It is probably something entirely different, but one thing I have seen a connection in, with myself, is I am a very bad compulsive... sorta like Monk on television... and I have, ever since childhood, had an affinity for numbers. Patterns mainly, playing number games in my head and such, and sometimes unable to stop it.. like a tune stuck in your head. The positive benefit of this is I eventually developed a high level of skill in multiplication and division of numbers in my head. I do not see shapes, I mentally see numbers... but they kinda interact like the original article describes the shapes morphing together, rather than as numeric value. I do see numeric relationships, such as when calculating geometric shapes volumes or areas, as moving shapes. I have some symptoms though which have made me wonder about ADD too.. so who the heck knows?

Wierd.
209 posted on 02/21/2005 4:43:51 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: WindOracle
I know there are sites that will give you more clues if need be. Don't feel bad about not knowing anything about this before.

Aspergers is a fairly recent discovery from what I understand...like in the last ten years, and even the general psych profession isn't up on it yet.

Since this is a high functioning group I think the social skills will probably be the only area that they can get their jaws into to make any money. Tee Hee. It may take a little longer to get any real attention directed to it for that reason.

210 posted on 02/21/2005 6:40:01 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: snarks_when_bored

bump for later reading


211 posted on 02/21/2005 8:16:58 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Happygal

I got a 5. I like people, unless they're leftists.


212 posted on 02/28/2005 11:14:31 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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I'd like to know if he can factorize the XBOX RSA key (this is the public key, he has to find 2 primes that multiplied together result in this number):
2074011932725872376027602350906301713845599360627488352673195511324110900735 4362374128996096291046353572306742110305456946824862203867115042369878729703 4757651122801674981890464377946029661688124194233651969796694319295889511268 0464874302938783366603176573433716594963473137559247167029424618087781510481 2674626967450097045005117546657068700545263064105024888769118032059917845867 6530404194040036845598825091953986309228240504053796205135896999939802056942 6697323609577215347638826741847653366351274624331031785386194643005307289050 2949319703765023792161144942611323629444409600173894963797156859916567288947 565058003



213 posted on 05/15/2005 2:21:15 PM PDT by finocchietto
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To: Earthdweller

Re Asperger's: you can "armchair diagnose" people like David Boies and Bill Gates very easily. My son also has it.


214 posted on 05/15/2005 2:32:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Earthdweller
Start early with the social skills.

Got to tell you -- you can only "teach" so much. A child I know, who is more socially impaired than my own son, had hundreds of thousands of school district dollars spent on him, and now in his early teens he knows all the right ways to interact properly with people. Eye contact, the proper questions and polite responses.

Yet the "spitzengefuehl" (fine-tuning?) is missing. He can't slip into the casual dance that is every natural human interaction. He doesn't pick up the subtle signals, even though he's been trained to "do it all correctly." I have seen lots of these cases and frankly, it feels good to admit that it's not a parent's fault for not getting enough social skills formal training. Social skills can only be learned to a point.

215 posted on 05/15/2005 2:39:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: snarks_when_bored

Gee, that is very interesting. I don't tell many people this because they look at me like I'm odd, but I have always associated colors with numbers for some reason. 5 is green, 4 is red, 3 is orange, 2 is yellow, etc. But I can't add those numbers without a calculator and the only pi I can recall is that little strawberry number in my fridge.

Seriously though, that was a fascinating article.


216 posted on 05/15/2005 2:43:31 PM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: dog breath

Here were my son's fixations, in order: What floor people lived on (ages 1-2, he lived on the 6th floor); cars (a parking lot was as good as Disneyland to him and he could name every car in there, it stopped abruptly on his 3rd birthday when everyone we knew gifted him something to do with cars); nothing until about age 6 when he stepped into the world of Pokemon and didn't come out for 4-5 years. At that point it was all computers, gaming, and anime, which have continued to this day (he's 13) and might indeed lead to a career.


217 posted on 05/15/2005 2:44:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Alouette

"It would be interesting to do a study on children who are brought up to be multi-lingual. How do they know when to switch from one language to another, or is it all one language to them? "

I have worked with some engineers from the Nethertlands. My impression was that they were truly multi-lingual, some conversations they would switch between Dutch, English, German, and French, whichever language expressed the idea best. One good thing about the education there I would say, is that the kids are taught multiple languages at a young age, and become fluent in those languages, much unlike the so-called English as a second language that is presented in the US (where a child with a Spanish surname is automatically sent to a class taught in Spanish, even though the child had known only English).


218 posted on 05/15/2005 2:47:05 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (I live in Minnesota, I run a business in Minnesota, but I remain a TEXAN!)
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Unfortunately, while this is interesting, the vast majority of folks with autism are mentally retarded and have extreme difficulty functioning in society. Rainman, this article and the popular culture tend to "romanticize" what is a very debilitating condition. That is most unfortunate for its victims and their families.


219 posted on 05/15/2005 2:56:20 PM PDT by OldArmy94
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To: Abcdefg

I was thinking the same thing about myself, I am just a regular idiot not an idiot savant. He remembers all the thousands of books he has read. I can't remember the book I started last week.

Dang, note to self: Start the book from page one again.


220 posted on 05/15/2005 3:08:19 PM PDT by Ditter
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