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Experts: New Sub Can Tap Undersea Cables
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Posted on 02/18/2005 5:00:53 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Experts: New Sub Can Tap Undersea Cables

* USS Jimmy Carter Will Be Based In Washington State

Feb 18, 2005 4:55 pm US/Eastern WASHINGTON (AP) The USS Jimmy Carter, set to join the nation’s submarine fleet on Saturday, will have some special capabilities, intelligence experts say: It will be able to tap undersea cables and eavesdrop on the communications passing through them.

The Navy does not acknowledge the $3.2 billion submarine, the third and last of the Seawolf class of attack subs, has this capability.

“That’s going to be classified in nature,” said Kevin Sykes, a Navy spokesman. “You’re not going to get anybody to talk to you about that.”

But intelligence community watchdogs have little doubt: The previous submarine that performed the mission, the USS Parche, was retired last fall. That would only happen if a new one was on the way.

Like the Parche, the Carter was extensively modified from its basic design, given a $923 million hull extension that allows it to house technicians and gear to perform the cable-tapping and other secret missions, experts say. The Carter’s hull, at 453 feet, is 100 feet longer than the other two subs in the Seawolf class.

“The submarine is basically going to have as its major function intelligence gathering,” said James Bamford, author of two books on the National Security Agency.

Navy public information touts some of the Carter’s special abilities: In the extended hull section, the boat can provide berths for up to 50 special operations troops, like Navy SEALs. It has an “ocean interface” that serves as a sort of hangar bay for smaller vehicles and drones to launch and return.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: espionage; humor; submarine; themostcorruptstate; usn; ussjimmycarter; ussparche
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To: Drew68
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It ain't the ship, it's the NAME.
21 posted on 02/18/2005 5:26:48 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Sub-Driver

Did a northern run on the Bergall in 1988....one time blue nose ;)


22 posted on 02/18/2005 5:26:48 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
I am surprised this isn't ZOTTED already!

Umm...that we've done this with previous espionage subs was documented in extreme detail in a bestselling book years ago.

It's like some analyst speculating that the Joint Strike Fighter might be able to drop bombs that explode.

23 posted on 02/18/2005 5:29:51 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Mad Mammoth
It ain't the ship, it's the NAME.

If I was a bubblehead, I'd love to be billeted on the Jimmy Carter. Why? Because she's brand-spankin' new!

24 posted on 02/18/2005 5:30:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Mad Mammoth

Great picture, BTW.


25 posted on 02/18/2005 5:31:05 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Paul_Denton
And WHO THE F*** would name a ship after one of the WORST presidents in history!?

Guess?


April 2, 1998

26 posted on 02/18/2005 5:31:20 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: Drew68
Say what one may about his disastrous presidency, this honor cannot be taken away from him.

Yeah? Well John Glenn used to be an honorable American hero until he sold his reputation and honor. For the price of one last rocket ride, he obstructed the Senate investigation into Communist Chinese campaign contributions to the Democrat party. That stunt lost him his hero status. He is just another disgracefully sleazy retired politician now.

27 posted on 02/18/2005 5:31:38 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: Drew68
I'm thinking of the potential that this ship can do to reverse the disastrous actions and policies of its namesake. It's delicious irony that Carter acts today to harm our country while the sub keeps us strong in spite of him.
28 posted on 02/18/2005 5:31:46 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: EricT.

He always was a sleazy poltician, we just found out about it when Clinton used him like a doormat.


29 posted on 02/18/2005 5:32:51 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: Thebaddog
It's delicious irony that Carter acts today to harm our country while the sub keeps us strong in spite of him.

Well put.

30 posted on 02/18/2005 5:32:56 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
I guess you never saw one of these. The last line applies to Jimmy Carter's entire presidency.


31 posted on 02/18/2005 5:33:28 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: chasio649

Blue nose ping...spring of '80/fall of '81


32 posted on 02/18/2005 5:34:57 PM PST by seadevil (after a 4 year hiatus from FR, I have returned)
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To: Drew68
>>>And Carter, lest we forget, was a naval officer and a submariner who served honorably. Say what one may about his disastrous presidency, this honor cannot be taken away from him. <<<

You miss the point. The boat was named "Jimmy Carter" because he was President - thus honoring his Presidency. It was not so named because he was a sub-mariner.

"Lest we forget", Jimmy Carter's watch saw the first real Islamic attack against the United States - 44 US citizens held for 440 days - Carter did nothing until it appeared that his tenure as President was threatened and then pulled off the most ham-fisted military operation the US has seen in recent history.

He presided over an economic "malaise" with interest rates approaching 20% (actually I think they may have touched 21%) and simply wrung his hands over the first of the oil crises, telling everyone to wear sweaters.

There will be brave sailors serving on the Jimmy Carter, but the astute will request transfer to another boat!

33 posted on 02/18/2005 5:35:13 PM PST by HardStarboard (PASS)
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To: Drew68

I am a former Naval Officer, as well. I would like a more warlike or patriotic name for the sub.

But we are going to need more subs, since Carter gave North Korea the deal to enable them to have nukes.


34 posted on 02/18/2005 5:38:05 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Drew68
Great picture, BTW.

Thanks, it's one of my favorites. I do want to qualify any remarks I have made or will make in the future regarding this particular boat, I have nothing but admiration and undying respect for each and every submariner who has ever sailed, is sailing or will sail in a United States submarine (with the exception of one, and ONLY one individual and you all can guess who I'm talking about). I was at NAVSEASYSCOM in the late 70's (during the infamous Carter years) and I can tell you that the 924 Submarine Directorate took no pride in the fact that Carter, a former submariner, happened to make it to the White House.

It's my understanding (based on a lot of third party conversations) that even Rickover himself was damn disappointed in Carter, even though Carter kept exempting him from the mandatory retirement requirements.

If I were assigned to this boat, I would refer to it only as the 'TWENTY THREE' (as in SSN 23), because there was never a U.S. submarine launched that would do nothing but fight until there was nothing left to fight with, contrary to the appeasement and foolishness of the 39th chief executive for which this boat is named after.

Evening rant mode off.

Regards,

MM
35 posted on 02/18/2005 5:39:41 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Sub-Driver

Just a quick reminder for those of you following the Carter's commissioning on TV:

Jimmy Carter never served on a nuke sub. He was educated as a nuclear (or 'nucular' as the ex-pres would say), but never served a day in the nuke sub fleet. The first one didn't even exist until a year after he left the navy.


36 posted on 02/18/2005 5:41:55 PM PST by No Longer Free State
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To: Sub-Driver

I thought old subs did that as well.


37 posted on 02/18/2005 5:42:39 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Sub-Driver
I' sure it has the capability, but I fear that it may develop a general malaise
38 posted on 02/18/2005 5:46:30 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Sub-Driver

Any reader of modern spy/war books by a good author knows it.


39 posted on 02/18/2005 5:46:32 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Drew68
He may be correct, he may be full of it.

While his first book was quite good, he went downhill rapidly. He is pretty much full of it at this point. Stay far away from his newer stuff and any of his talking-head news appearances.

40 posted on 02/18/2005 5:48:18 PM PST by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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