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The scariest part is that this is NOT a satire.
1 posted on 02/18/2005 3:09:21 PM PST by srm913
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I am speechless. Utterly speechless.


2 posted on 02/18/2005 3:10:59 PM PST by Spruce
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See BS on CBS!


3 posted on 02/18/2005 3:12:07 PM PST by JillValentine
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"A different condition leaves genetic males less responsive to androgen during development, so they're born without a penis.

Damn... Thats a bum way to start off in life!

4 posted on 02/18/2005 3:12:49 PM PST by SouthParkRepublican (There are no contradictions... Only faulty premises.)
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I have heard of people being born with both organs, but with no penis?

Females have a similar component to the penis, anyway.

Is that what they mean? They aren't very clear.

(yep, no penis. I never have to use the john on airplanes, so it saves me lots of time)


5 posted on 02/18/2005 3:13:23 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The truth is like sex, it is a highly personal thing.)
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Bump and "just incredible" ping.


7 posted on 02/18/2005 3:14:01 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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Golly gee whiz. Neither me (1949) or my sister (1951) had to ask Mom or dad who or what we were.

WTH's wrong with todays kids/punks/lowlifes? WTF?


8 posted on 02/18/2005 3:14:11 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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Golly gee whiz. Neither me (1949) or my sister (1951) had to ask Mom or Dad who or what we were.

WTH's wrong with todays kids/punks/lowlifes? WTF?


9 posted on 02/18/2005 3:14:38 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (D)
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Exibit A:


10 posted on 02/18/2005 3:14:41 PM PST by Normal4me
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I worked on a neonatal unit. A baby was born, a boy, but his pubic area wasn't fused. They had to do surgery to make him a girl(they couldn't repair him), it was very hard on his parents. The baby did suffer, very much.


11 posted on 02/18/2005 3:14:56 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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14 posted on 02/18/2005 3:15:52 PM PST by COUNTrecount
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One of the more common is congenital adrenal hyperplasia. In such cases, genetic girls with XX chromosomes are exposed in the womb to such high levels of androgen — the hormone that triggers male development — that they appear male externally even if they have female reproductive organs. A different condition leaves genetic males less responsive to androgen during development, so they're born without a penis.

This seems to be the best description of Gays and Lesbians I've ever seen. In short, Queers are biological freaks.

20 posted on 02/18/2005 3:18:13 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Fraud is the lifeblood of the Democratic Party)
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How long are they suggesting to hold off on surgery?


25 posted on 02/18/2005 3:22:09 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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"There is no one biological parameter that clearly defines sex," added Dr. Eric Vilain of the University of California, Los Angeles, whose research suggests gender is genetically hard-wired into the brain before birth — regardless of which genitalia develop.

Sounds like the medical/psychological community is using this unfortunate medical condition to further their efforts to make homosexuality and/or transgenderism more acceptable by watering down the meaning of gender, IMHO.

26 posted on 02/18/2005 3:23:21 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (We smirked our way back to a second term!)
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This is something that has happened behind closed doors for the longest time.

It is with such people I believe gender reassignment is a reasonable procedure. Whatever can help them be what they were born to be is understandably fine.


29 posted on 02/18/2005 3:24:14 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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I did a quick Google search for "hermaphrodite" and came up with quite a few different syndromes that would cause problems determining the sex of a baby. Looks like CBS is looking for sensensational to report for sweeps.

Klinefelter's syndrome -- A condition in which a genetic male actually has one or more extra X chromosomes (XXY, XXXY). The individual appears anatomically male but would not be male according to XY=boy formula. Neither could such a person impregnate a female, being sterile.

Turner's syndrome-- Condition in which an individual has one X and no Y chromosome, thus they are neither an XY male or a XX female. In addition, the gonads degenerate before birth. In most respects the person will be anatomically female, however without hormone treatment their will be no secondary sexual characteristics.

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (or adrenogenital syndrome) -- In this genetically influenced condition the adrenal glands produce an excess of androgens in utero. Children who would be classed as female by both their genes (XX) and their gonads (ovarian) will have masculine appearing genitals, to a varying degrees. They will also, statistically, have an increased liklihood of forming romantic relationships with women as adults.

Androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS, or testicular feminization) -- With AIS, a fetus which is genetically male (XY chromosomes) has receptors which are unresponsive to testosterone and so is born as a female -- at least outwardly. However there is no female reproductive tract.

Partial AIS: -- Individuals with partial AIS, will appear feminine at birth, but because they have only a reduced sensitivity to androgens, they may suddenly at puberty develop a more male presentation. The clitoris with enlarge to become a small penis. The voice will drop. Testes will descend. Eventually chest and facial hair may develop.

Mayer-Rokitansky-Kustur-Hauser syndrome -- A condition in which the body of a genetic female does not develop a vagina, cervix, uterus or fallopian tubes. Vaginal agenesis -- A generic condition in which the vagina does not develop -- for a variety of reasons, including MRKH syndrome.

Cloacal exstrophy -- This is a severe congenital malformation of pelvis which can include a male being born without a penis. Even when surgically reconstructed as a girl, males born with cloacal exstrophy generally develop a male identity.

Hypospadias -- A penis is designated hypospadic if the urethral meatus (or pee hole) is located somewhere other than the traditional location -- i.e. the tip of the penis. Instead the hole is located at the base of the penis or somewhere along the shaft. It is a condition which intensifies genital confusion. In that, it causes the penis to resemble a hypertrophic (enlarged) clitoris, making it hard to decide if the individual is a male-appearing female, or a female-appearing male.

37 posted on 02/18/2005 3:28:28 PM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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Maybe they should read this book.


38 posted on 02/18/2005 3:28:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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This is a very sad situation when it happens. I know it's good for a snicker and people are having fun with it but it's just as sad as any other physical deformity that happens in the womb. When you think of all the complex things that have to occur to make us who we are over 9 months, there are a lot of things that can and do go wrong in that process. This particular set of abnormalities just happens to effect one of the basics of human identity... gender. When gender is unclear at birth, it's a complex and upsetting situation for everyone and a likely lifetime of confusion and despair for the child.


40 posted on 02/18/2005 3:31:05 PM PST by saquin
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It seems to me that the conservative position on gender differences is that even the ones which are not merely anatomical are natural. And if they're natural then they will be subject to the same errors that other natural features are. So that these sorts of things happen should surprise no one.


45 posted on 02/18/2005 3:35:05 PM PST by MattAMiller
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I can't figure out whether I've (a) lived too long, (b) I'm nuts, or (c) civilization, as we know it, is over.


52 posted on 02/18/2005 3:41:22 PM PST by Fintan (Annoying FReepers since 1998...)
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Scientifically speaking, a person's sex is determined at the cellular level, and is indicated by whether the cells have two X chromosomes or an X and a Y.

If a baby is born damaged or has other problems like hormonal imbalances, that may cause problems. But you really can't make a man into a woman or a woman into a man.

Sex change operations on physically healthy individuals are extremely questionable, and probably should be outlawed. Sex change operations on damaged babies are more understandable and arguable, but are probably also a mistake. They are well intended but are unlikely to solve the problem.


60 posted on 02/18/2005 3:50:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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